NH Democratic Party accused of ‘religious intolerance’

The head of a pro-family political group in New Hampshire accused the New Hampshire Democratic Party of “religious intolerance” on Thursday for criticizing a Christian state legislator for conducting what it called “a religious tirade” at a Christian gathering in September.

Democratic spokeswoman Harrell Kirstien accused Republican State Rep. David Bates of attempting to impose a “Bible belt social agenda” after video surfaced of Bates saying “the only hope for America” is to “turn from our wicked ways and ask god to heal our land” and “the problem we have here in this country and in all of our states is that we no longer fear god” at New England Solemn Assembly in Plymouth Massachusetts.

Now Kevin Smith, head of Cornerstone Policy Research, is calling on the Democratic Party to apologize for the attack.

“The NHDP’s mischaracterization of Representative Bates’ faith are not only rooted in religious bigotry, but represents the height of hypocrisy for a party that supposedly prides itself in being tolerant of other’s beliefs,” Smith said. “ The NHDP owes Rep. Bates and the hundreds of thousands of Christians in this state an apology for his truly offensive and ignorant remarks.”

“No elected official, whether Republican or Democrat, should have to endure such bigoted remarks from a political party simply because they express their religious faith in a public forum,” continued Smith. “Mr. Kirstein ought to re-read the first amendment to the US Constitution and realize all people are guaranteed the freedom of religion, whether he agrees with their beliefs or not.”

Below is video of Rep. Bates’ remarks:

Author: Patrick Hynes

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  • Anonymous

    What else would one expect from the putrid sewage running this country? But is it a “hate crime”? Well, no, it can’t be. It wasn’t directed at a Preferred Species! Filthy. Maggot. Pigs. The stench is overwhelming!

  • http://twitter.com/jwristen James

    I once had an argument with a good friend of mine who is a staunch Democrat and a member of SEIU. He is a communist whether he knows it or not, or whether he admits it. Years ago, around 2001 he went to church on sundays. After 9/11 he stopped going and became this hateful man. He hated Bush as much as anything in this world. He insisted it was just because of the wars. So when Barry got elected and didn’t stop the wars I asked him why he didn’t go after him. He said to give him time, he can’t stop them overnight. So the wars continue, my communist friend hates christianity, and blames everything that’s wrong in the world and Bush and right-wingers. Such a hateful guy who used to be funny and dynamic. Now he works for the state and is a bitter out of shape communist. Poor guy. Should have never left the church I reckon.

    • Janortiz

      you are a disingenuous liar who doesn’t have friends whether or not you admit it.

      • Cornelius Talmadge

        how do you base your comments?

      • Sheesh Whatagrouch

        No need to guess which end of the political spectrum you are on.
        Keep smiling there chief:)

      • John

        Disingenous liar, huh?
        Unlike the liars who are ingenous, or honest? Smart guy you are.

      • Mahakala

        I’m betting Janortiz gets a thrill running up his leg when he thinks of his Messiah…. Barry Obama

    • Cwxj415

      You, James, are a biggoted idiot and dishonest whore-mongerer . . . whether you know it or not and whether you want to admit it or not!

      Now: How does THAT sound? Pretty unfair, wouldn’t you say? Like most dishonest righties you engage in behavior that you would NEVER tolerate in your opponents. You sicken me.

      • Hempstead1944

        Makes him pretty admirable in my book…….

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/WOEOICBEBV64KCNKI6JFENYXMI Shawn P

        Actually, the vitriol in your own reply (second paragraph, not the first one you apparently think is witty sarcasm), Cwxj415, pretty much mirrors what James was saying about how angry and mean-spirited his previous friend has become. You pretty much prove his point about the hatefulness of “progressives.”

        • Cwxj415

          Odd – you apparaently understood that my second paragraph defined the first as sarcasm . . . and then proceeded to criticize me for that sarcasm as if it were said seriously. You are a perfect illustration of what I was pointing out!

          So I suppose when James insisted that somebody he knew is a “a communist whether he knows it or not, or whether he admits it”, who is “a hateful guy” who “hates christianity” . . . FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN HE IS A LIBERAL, you are fine with that, but when I point it out, THAT is beyond the pale for you!

          Thank you for meeting my expectations: Righties simply cannot be honest, and you are a perfect example of it.

          • Matt

            You are just another leftist coward that gets off to attacking everyone. I bet that you still live in your parents basement.

          • Cwxj415

            Well, you’d bet wrong. My parents are long dead (I am not some kid, you jackass. But apparently YOU are).

            Isn’t it amsuing that this comment page is 95% attacks by righties against liberals, but you have NOTHING bad to say about that. When I return the favor SUDDENLY you get all self-righteous about attacks.

            You are pathetic, but a perfect example of the dishonest rightie that is so common here on the internet: Attack, abuse, insult, ridicule, mock, misrepresent, and lie about the other side . . . and when that other side returns the favor, then you wrap yourself in righteous indignation demanding civility!

            Well, sorry, but you guys don’t DESERVE civility from others until you demonstrate it yourselves.

          • MrEastCoast

            CWXJ415, you are without a doubt slap worthy. It’s impressive that you are able to extrapolate everything about a person from their religion to their politics by reading only a few sentences they wrote. In fact your blatant flaming ignorance only exposes your lefty ideals. Thanks for once again demonstrating the hate that all ignorant social degenerates (Obama leftists) are driven by. Please continue to amuse me with your childish antics.

          • Hippie Suplex Machine

            CWXJ415′s childhood pic here.

            http://www.motifake.com/motivational/78930

          • BoboFromTexas

            I can feel your hate and it’s pretty ugly.

          • Mike

            Cwxj415 in actuality 95% of the posts here are people disagreeing with your hateful and ignorant comments, not liberals in general. Additionally based on the intellectual maturity of your posts, or more accurately the complete lack of any, and your inability to make any clear and consistent argument (other than righties are bad, mean, fascist and blah blah blah typical unsubstantiated dogma) I wouldn’t be proud to admit I wasn’t a kid if I were you. If you were at least we could chalk you up to a lack of life experience or the raging hormones of a pimple faced teenager trying to impress a girl with his progressive ideals.
            Please feel free to respond to my post by calling me a fascist or a troll or a self righteous neo con pig. Use any combination therein. It’ll go far to forward your argument and bring the masses to your side. And by the way mongerer is not a word, the word is monger. Check Oxford or Merriam-Webster, not urbandictionary.com. For clarification as to its usage I offer an example, “The lonely poster known as Cwxj415 is an attention monger because he lacks any meaningful real life human interaction.”
            Mike

          • Drbanderas

            CWX, I wish you lived next door to me so I wouldn’t have far to walk to slap the cr@p out of you!!!!!!

          • Cwxj415

            That’s just the sort of reponse I would expect from an ignorant rightie. Lie about the other side, and then when they refuse to accept your lies, threaten them with violence!

            I bet you’re a tea-partier too, aren’t you?

          • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/B6F63QRD25KIPZ5J5I2A3AVYL4 Red

            I bet you voted for Obama, enjoy the fail.

          • Fire

            Cwxj415, James did not say that his ex-friend was
            “a communist …a hateful guy …who “hates Christianity” . . . FOR NO OTHER
            REASON THAN HE IS A LIBERAL,”
            His reasons came from conversations in which his ex-friend demonstrated his hatred towards Christians, right wingers, and, apparently, the capitalist society. His reason is not that he has become a liberal

            Most liberals don’t understand that giving the government, instead of God, the highest authority is the heart of communism.

            That is why “Under God” was added to the Pledge of Allegiance during the cold war—to separate us whose value is determined by God, from the Commies whose value is determined by the whim of the government.

            Here is a web definition:
            Communism sounds like a good idea. In the purest form of communism, all people hold all land, factories and so on in trust, as it were. In this way, all goods are shared equally by the people. There is no poverty — nor is there an upper class.

            Communism would probably function well if humans didn’t have the unfortunate tendency toward greed. Some argue that if everyone had the same, no one would want more. This, of course, has been proven to be a fallacy over and over again. If there are no goals to achieve, and nothing to work toward except a production quota, where is the incentive to excel? Capitalism is not a perfect system either. It just functions better in the face of human greed than other systems do, as it offers the carrot of financial gain for hard work.

      • Liberty for all

        And you, whatever your name is, are a typical libtard. You can’t spell bigoted and please tell me, if you can, what is a “whore-mongerer”? I was under the impression the word was “monger”. YOU sicken ME because you are a nit-wit.

        • Cwxj415

          A “mongerer” is one who mongers.

          I suggest you educate yourself before you criticize others, moron.

          • Stealthq

            Mongerer is urban slang, synonymous with monger, which would be the ‘proper’ English. Not knowing the slang doesn’t imply a lack of education.

          • qdog

            Did you type that yourself?

      • Big Tony

        You have such hate in your soul. I hope you find God and peace.

      • Drbanderas

        CWX, I wish you lived next door to me so I wouldn’t have far to walk to slap the cr@p out of you!!!!!!

        • Cwxj415

          Spoken like a true rightie. Insult others all day, and when one of those people insult you back, pretend to be all offended and resort to violent threats.

          It’s all so typical.

          • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6VZDNDDOKDCOKBW7SORPC2MPIA DJH

            Th only thing typical here is a liberal attacking anyone and everyone they disagree with (ie. a vast majority of Americans), then claiming the right is simply ‘too ignorant’ to understand or know any better.
            The hate and intolerance of the left is rather amusing – but not nearly as hilarious as your misguided tendencies to mistake ideology with intellect.

      • LTCB

        I’m not the James your slamming. I’m another James. You, sir, are what is wrong with this country. IF you’re so adamant that you want this new “progressive” version of government, why are you living here and waiting on it? You are free to leave and go to one of the many European countries that already have your nanny state form of government in place with their free health care and government run everything. What are you waiting for? And don’t let the door hit you on the butt on your way out. By the way, I suggest you try one that allows you to continue drinking your koolaid.

      • Kearly

        What a hate spewing bigot scum you sound like. Go take look in the mirror dude. You have no idea about “righties” or anything for that matter as you obviously havent kept your mind as open as your mouth

      • Guest

        It is quite interesting that you would use the scripture, “Judge not, lest ye be judged,” when you post judgments of your own, such as “dishonest righties,” “morons,” “hateful, ignorant, bigotted morons,” “whining little girls,” and “Nazi’s.”

        God loves you, and sent His Son to die for your sins. It’s your choice on whether, or not to accept that salvation.

      • Surprised

        Bet you were already sick before you even read his post. It’s amazing how much rage his honest and straightforward post generated. You guys are apoplectic!

      • Surprised

        Bet you were already sick before you even read his post. It’s amazing how much rage his honest and straightforward post generated. You guys are apoplectic!

    • Guest

      I have a ‘former friend’ who fits the description of your friend to a tee. Very sad. I grieve for the state of his soul.

      • Cwxj415

        I suggest you pay more attention to the state of YOUR OWN SOUL, than that of others. “Judge not lest ye be judged” says the leader of your church. I guess that’s just one more thing that those who CLAIM to be Christian (but don’t actually live a Christ-like life) can say to dishonor Jesus.

        Exactly what we’ve all come to expect from the hateful, ignorant, bigotted morons on the far right who call themselves “Christians’, but are nothing of the sort.

        Jesus weeps.

        • MSGT Bob

          As Christians, we are permitted to judge a person’s words or deeds, but not the person himself. I agree that the OP should have refrained from saying anything disparaging of his friend, but commenting on his friend’s deeds or words is not sinful.

        • CREED

          you should re-read your own post and notice all the hate speech in it and maybe you’ll realize that YOU are the one who expressed hatred, not the individuals to whom you responded. But that’s what we’ve come to expect from lefties.

        • Smitpr

          This is such the standard IGNORANT respose of those on the left. I can give you countless examples of men in the Bible who mocked much worse behavior than what was pointed out. Why don’t YOU read the Bible before making such ignorant statements.

          What a shame – standard thoughtless run on.

          • ItsJo

            America’s Christians have been ‘under attack from many in America and worldwide(you will notice the killings of Christians in MiddleEast, Pakistan, etc) Here in America, Athiests have fought through the courts to remove crosses at many locations, plaques that have the 10 Commandments written on them(claiming it is on gov’t property) Well, our soldiers that are buried in America and Other countries ALL have crosses on them-shall they too, be removed-because they “offend other religions”. Where does this end? With the demands that the Islamists/Muslims are making worldwide, or Athiests who Don’t believe in Anything? We are supposed to be a country that has ‘freedom of religion…..or, is that NOT for Christians as we are singled out to be erased-WE WILL NOT, AND YOU CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE RIDICULE
            ABOUT OUR BELIEFS, BUT WE STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO BELIEVE AS WE WISH…….”JUST LIKE THE REST OF YOU”

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5XLGAVO5KMCDDVXTW5BDTMYQTY Joe

            Well, actually, not all GI’s who perished are buried under crosses. Many Jewish graves have the Star of David above them. But I certainly believe that you have every right to believe as you wish. I would and have fought to defend that right. The rest of the population has that same right.

          • Katyandboots

            actually, many are buried under rubble our pulverized to ash beneath the shrapnels of casualties fighting wars in the name of “christian” principles and beliefs.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LWTY2M236NFXGESXVKJXH4JBV4 Robert

            i guess people like you would rather hitler (socialist, atheist) was left to complete his extermination pogrom – like all those other atheist socialists in russia, china, africa, south america et al.

            here is a Christian principle – as you do to the least of these you do unto me – so protecting the weak is part of Christs command

          • guest

            Actually Hitler was Roman Catholic and publicly denounced state-promoted atheism on multiple occasions. There’s nothing to suggest he was devout, but it’s undeniable that he believed in a one, true God. Implying that Christians can not do terribly evil things is just completely disingenuous.

          • Ingatrerosor

            Actually… No. Hitler was not religious at all. In fact, Hitler was a politician who successfully played the wolf in sheep’s clothing in order to be elected. Germany was still a Christian nation in the 1930s–at least as my grandfather, who was there, described it. The shrewd Hitler masked himself in religious language and culture in order to convince Christian Germany that he was one of them. Don’t believe me? Read any of Bonhoeffer’s or Voegelin’s writings. Primary sources should be the foundation of your reasoning.

            Citation needed.

          • LW

            HHmm, wolf in sheep’s clothing, and masking himself in religious language..Sounds MUCH like our current President and his tactics.

          • GreyLion

            Even deamons believe……and shudder

          • GreyLion

            Even deamons believe……and shudder

          • Bryan

            Hitler was obsessed with Astrology and was a true agnostic. He was a populist, a pagan would be a better description. Much like many angry “ex-catholics” that you run into in life.

            Suggesting he was a Christian or that his political and social motivations involved his belief in God is a willful denial of his actual social and religious beliefs as an adult. You certainly have some kind of motivation for doing so. Why don’t you just say what you’re thinking and give up the conspiracy theory bud.

          • Al

            Actually, lets read Hitler’s own words about Christianity, as told to his Minister for Industry and architect, Albert Speer:

            “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”

          • Al

            Actually, lets read Hitler’s own words about Christianity, as told to his Minister for Industry and architect, Albert Speer:

            “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”

          • Claytonfamily1601

            Funny that millions of Catholics were killed by Nazi’s so if Hitler were a nazi would he not have protected people of his faith?

          • R. Wirz von Urikon

            Really?
            “…the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

            “It’s Christianity that’s the liar. It’s in perpetual conflict with itself.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

            “In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 6

            “Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 145

            “As far as we are concerned, we’ve succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 394

            “There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 418

          • Believer

            What a lie

          • Jcharrison5p

            Hitler believed in a “generic god,” and he sought to replace the notion of Christ with himself. This is nothing new. Tyrants throughout history have attempted this in a roundabout way by declaring “the divine right of kings” (and certain others). Sadly, this has also occurred in Christendom (Christian Civilization). There is only One head of the church–Jesus Christ.

          • guest

            Actually Hitler was Roman Catholic and publicly denounced state-promoted atheism on multiple occasions. There’s nothing to suggest he was devout, but it’s undeniable that he believed in a one, true God. Implying that Christians can not do terribly evil things is just completely disingenuous.

          • Actually served

            What???

          • Weallneedhelp

            “Islamic” principles an beliefs have led to many wars as well. Same with several other religions. Judaism, Buddhist, Hindu, Catholicism. Don’t be so quick to label most casualties of war as a result of “Christian” principles. Many wars are fought for reasons other than religion too! Thank you to all those who have fought for our freedom, we ALL would not be where we are right now if it were not for you.

            Ad majorem Dei gloriam!!

          • Weallneedhelp

            “Islamic” principles an beliefs have led to many wars as well. Same with several other religions. Judaism, Buddhist, Hindu, Catholicism. Don’t be so quick to label most casualties of war as a result of “Christian” principles. Many wars are fought for reasons other than religion too! Thank you to all those who have fought for our freedom, we ALL would not be where we are right now if it were not for you.

            Ad majorem Dei gloriam!!

          • Prophet

            War aren’t caused from Christian principles your hippie. They are caused by crooked politicians who you vote into office you dipstick!

          • Prophet

            War aren’t caused from Christian principles your hippie. They are caused by crooked politicians who you vote into office you dipstick!

          • Burt

            And many good patriots including liberals and non-Christians died and lost limbs in the name of American principles.

          • R. Wirz von Urikon

            There’s no such thing as a liberal patriot. Liberals are internationalists and hate expressions of nationalism [patriotism] because they believe the latter stiffles the former, hence obstructing their mission to create a one world government.

          • G_Oliver

            Actually, in one way, you are right, but in another, you are wrong. Nationalism is promoting one’s nation with no regard to what she does or how her people and government act. Patriotism is promoting ones country based on the good in her. Our soldiers, be they Jewish or Christian or Catholic, are patriots, as they have fought and died in the name of the United States of America. There are many liberal Nationalists, who want our country recognized, no matter what problems there are inside. But there are just as many, or more Conservative Patriots who want our country recognized because of the good she does, not because she is known as a murderous, adulterous nation.

          • Burt

            And many good patriots including liberals and non-Christians died and lost limbs in the name of American principles.

          • rachie122

            I disagree many a buried under the rubble in the fight for freedom of others and that is such a sacrifice of unseldishness that no one can take away from these great souls.

          • rachie122

            I disagree many a buried under the rubble in the fight for freedom of others and that is such a sacrifice of unseldishness that no one can take away from these great souls.

          • Rlroll2

            And actually, not all lawsuits brought against Christmas, Christian symbols,and the bible, nor in favor of abortion and homosexuality are brought by atheists. In fact, 90% of those lawsuits are signed annd submitted by people who are Jewish. Sad, but factually accurate.

          • northerngirl

            and let me guess- the middle east issues are all Israel’s fault, and everyone just wants to live peacefully with them.

            Factually accurate- I doubt.

          • ItsJo

            Joe: Thanking you for your service in advance-it was a Christian subject that was the topic
            and I didn’t mean to leave out the many Jewish that fought for America. Again-my thanks as we owe ALL military our gratitude.

          • sunnyboy

            I just think we should put the whole left in a concentration camp, gas them, along with the gays, and carry out judgment that doesn’t happen in the courts!

          • A Bee

            douche

          • sunnyboy

            I just think we should put the whole left in a concentration camp, gas them, along with the gays, and carry out judgment that doesn’t happen in the courts!

        • Paxnhymn

          You have obviously NEVER studied the Bible, because the statement ” Judge not, or you will be judged”, was an admonishment to not judge non-believers, because they had not yet been enlightened. You are completely misusing the text to suport your warped agenda. The only thing Jesus weeps about, is your blatant, intentional ignorance. Go find one. Read it.

          • Cwxj415

            WRONG!!! I know it’s typical for ignorant FauxChristians to invent meanings for inconvenient passages of the Bible, but in fact, Matthew chapter 7 is QUITE CLEAR in its meaning: You should know this from the simple fact that Matthew 7:3 specifically talks about removing the mote from “your brother’s” eye. Jesus would not have used the word “brother” to describe a non-believer.

            Nice try, though. Why is it that righties always make crap up when they don’t have a good argument to make on the real facts?

          • Anonymous

            Whether you will admit or not we have to make judgments every day in our lives. We have to judge what is right and what is wrong according to God’s word and take appropriate actions from there. If you believe someone is leading a degenerate life style you make a judgment call not to be part of it or allow your children to be a part of it either. You have to make sure the other person’s way of life will not harm you and take protective measures. You are just another one trying to twist the Bible out of its real meaning. If you judge harshly and without just cause or by lying that is how you will be judged in equal measure. The Bible warns you of judging unjustly because it comes with a price and does not say you cannot judge a situation or life style contrary to God’s teachings. God will judge the soul and our deeds on Earth.

          • Guest

            Everyone will make up crap when they don’t have a good argument. Doesn’t matter if you are a lefty or righty. It’s human nature, everyone has to be right and they believe their point of view is correct. I don’t see a whole lot of real facts for your argument in your post.

            Matthew 7:5 NKJV

            “Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

            This verse is simply stating that you should reflect on yourself and get yourself straight before you try to set your ‘brother’ straight. Read all of the chapter before you debate things.

          • Clinton_coop78

            So once I look to God, Find Him, Accept Him, Submit my Life to Him, and Study and Understand his Word in the Bible, it would seem I have removed the beam from my own eye and now see his clear truth. If that is the case then I do have some authority to stand upon on determing (JUDGE if you will) what is wrong what is right. I am not judging that person’s soul to Hell (that is only God’s ability). I am just telling that person what God see’s as something that will anger God, which will damn them to Hell. Now if you want to debate what is and isn’t sin or a damning offense, then lets have that converation!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can easily go to God’s spoken word to settle that debate.

          • Believer

            Clean up your own act first, then help your brother clean up his act.

            That’s why AA has worked all over the world

          • Johnsonjack67

            For such an argumentative person, one would expect you to have a little for mental depth. We are to worry about all mens’ souls, and to worry is not necessarily to judge. I am guessing you are not a christian, as anyone who has ever studied the Bible for a reason other than to look for ammo in bashing it could tell you exactly what that verse means.

          • Glett

            So… you’re putting down Christians who are on the right of the political spectrum by calling them FauxChristians, then you are saying that we shouldn’t judge people (does that include calling people FauxChristians?) Finally, you imply that you are supporting the far left, even though its agenda can be characterized as “save the Earth by killing the babies”?

            There aren’t enough psychiatrists in the world to unravel the God-hating, hypocritical line of reasoning you are using. You need to go study the Bible without the aid of Brian McLaren or other man-pleasing scripture-twisters.

          • Anonymous

            Glett,
            I was thinking CW was more in line with the America bashing Jim Wallis. They are communists disguising themselves as Christians, iow, Wolves in sheep’s clothing.

          • Anonymous

            Excuse them …left wing godless people who put their faith in text books and theories have a mental defficiency…its been proven by science

          • Anonymous

            Excuse them …left wing godless people who put their faith in text books and theories have a mental defficiency…its been proven by science

          • Glett

            So… you’re putting down Christians who are on the right of the political spectrum by calling them FauxChristians, then you are saying that we shouldn’t judge people (does that include calling people FauxChristians?) Finally, you imply that you are supporting the far left, even though its agenda can be characterized as “save the Earth by killing the babies”?

            There aren’t enough psychiatrists in the world to unravel the God-hating, hypocritical line of reasoning you are using. You need to go study the Bible without the aid of Brian McLaren or other man-pleasing scripture-twisters.

          • Quasar

            Jesus also said, in Luke 12:56-57, “Hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and the sky. How is it that you don’t know how to interpret this present time?
            Why don’t you judge for yourselves what is right?”

            Asking God to heal our land is rightly interpreting this present time. Rep. Bates is right on the mark.

            Again we are told to judge, by the Apostle Paul, in 1st Corinthians 6:2, “Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?”

          • Quasar

            Jesus also said, in Luke 12:56-57, “Hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and the sky. How is it that you don’t know how to interpret this present time?
            Why don’t you judge for yourselves what is right?”

            Asking God to heal our land is rightly interpreting this present time. Rep. Bates is right on the mark.

            Again we are told to judge, by the Apostle Paul, in 1st Corinthians 6:2, “Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?”

          • Linebacker38

            Cwxj415 is right! We should live enlightened lives and vote lefty. I mean it’s worked out so well for California, Michigan, and other Progressive States!

            Props to soonan for being reasonable towards this troll. Well I have to get back to work, thousands of losers like CWXJ415 are depending on thier handouts from my taxes!!

          • Ms255815

            Commie!

          • urconscience

            why is it that lefties always twist the truth? what are you afraid of?

          • Anonymous

            Lets do another quiz
            Who is more likely to be running your local Food Pantry or Soup Kitchen
            1) Congressional Black Caucus
            2) Queer Eye for the Straight Guy
            3) Christian Conservatives

          • Thedr8

            Actually, my mom works in a food pantry. Everyone there is Christian, but none are “conservatives.” Those who serve the poor are often poor themselves, and democrats ;-)

          • What’s Up?

            Not true. I know many conservatives and Christians who serve the poor. You are trying too hard.

            What’s Up?

          • JohnGalt

            Actually, no. According to Arthur Brooks’ book, Who Really Cares, conservatives are much more likely to donate their time, and blood, interestingly enough. Also, even though liberals on the average make 6% more than conservatives, they give over 30% less to charity.

            The only thing you’re right about is that the poor tend to vote Democrat, and that’s because the liberals have convinced them that if they don’t, the checks will stop coming.

          • Anonymous

            Must be a Government funded program.

          • Phenry

            Actually I live next door to a food pantry, the obese people who come for the handouts drive newer vehicles than mine. I asked many how they were going to vote, since they park on my property and I have an opportunity to talk to them, almost to a person they said democratic, those that were going to bother to vote anyway.

            Most in no way looked “poor”. I often wonder how you can judge a person’s wealth by how they look. The ladies who run the pantry and “serve”, are Christian conservatives, who won’t vote for most democrats because of the abortion, pro-homo-sexual stance of that party. Strange huh, they actually practice at the polls what they read in the Bible.

          • Thedr8

            Actually, my mom works in a food pantry. Everyone there is Christian, but none are “conservatives.” Those who serve the poor are often poor themselves, and democrats ;-)

          • Suzyque1023

            “Why is it that righties always make crap up when they don’t have a good argument to make on the real facts? ”

            Let me help you with your confusion – what you are doing is called “Transference”, which means that ones sees one’s own bad qualities and motives in others, whether they are really there or not. Does that help?

          • drb

            man your stupid

          • Rdfischer

            The bible says “Judge not, lest ye be judged accordingly… “accordingly being the key here. We are all judged by Gods Word.

          • Chris

            I don’t have to be a “Judge” but I can be a “fruit inspector.”

          • Spirit of 76

            Okay a$$hole. You convinced me and now I won’t be a Christian any more. The 10 Commandments are no longer in effect, neither is “Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself”.

            Would you have a problem if I decide to rid people like you from my presence because you pi$$ me off and I’m twice your size???

            Yeah, I thought so.

            Putz.

          • bed wetting liberal

            Read the ENTIRE verse, libtard:

            “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.”

            Now either you are a complete ignoramus in way over your head or you just lifted a quick cherry-picked Bible quote from a libtard website and you don’t know the rest of it. Now which is it?

        • Guest

          Actually, the verse is taken out of context. The verses don’t say simply “don’t judge” as if judgment in of itself was wrong – and you don’t believe that either, hence your judgment of others displayed in your own post, a bit hypocritical don’t you think? The verses are at their core and admonition to judge carefully, because you will be judged in the same way you judge others.

          The one verse is often quoted without the other in order to be used as a weapon against anyone who disagrees with another’s behavior. To use this as is often done, as a deflection of any criticism at all, is completely wrong.

          Read it yourself – Matthew 7:

          7:1 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

          • guest

            very good brother!!!!

          • Texvanwinkle

            I’m glad you pointed this out. I’m a strict agnostic and understand that. Civilized society requires judgment. The boundaries and safeguards that make civilized society possible can’t be enforced any other way, and that applies just as much to non-criminal behavior–public etiquette–as criminal. What matters is the manifestation of that judgment, not that it happens. It’s the difference between the code of Hammurabi and modern Western criminal justice. (Though I have to say, tossing someone in a river for civil disobedience is sounding better to me these days. At least we could bring back the stocks?) The basic idea is that people should be held accountable for their actions. Accountability requires judgment. More please.

        • Anonymous

          The Christian is free to judge those things the Scriptures have already judged, such as abortion (murder in most instances), homosexuality, and democrats/leftists that encourage confiscatory taxes (theft).

          Don’t be too embarrased, most people, including Christians, don’t understand “Judge not…” found in Christ’s Sermon on the Mount. The Bible isn’t for non-Christians or non-Jews.

          • RebelRed

            And where in God’s word are we told this? As far as God’s word not being for non-christians or non-jews, where are you getting this idea from? I am not following what is supposed to be a logical answer.

          • Anonymous

            The decalogue (Ten Commandments) covers most issues…murder, adultery (this covers most sins including homosexuality, and homosexuality is condemned in the Old and New Testaments), stealing, for example, taking from some people in society and giving it to others.

            We make judgments all the time. If I am on jury duty, I have to judge the credibility of one side over another

            The Bible is for confessing Christians and Jews. Others may have a literary or historical interest, but I think that they are a small minority. Others only look through it to find something to criticize.

          • Steve

            In order for you to understand scripture you need to read it with a detectives eye seeking what the words reveal. In Matthew 4 Jesus heals the sick (according to their faith) as he travels between Galilee, Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan a large crowd follows Him. When he sees the crowd he goes up the side of a mountain/hill where His disciples gathered around Jesus. Jesus began to teach the disciples. The sermon on the mount was not being taught to the crowd but they were permitted to listen in. We know this because the sermon began with the beatitudes which is directed toward believers.

        • pearls before swine

          It’s bizarre that you would consider “Guest’s” concern about the spiritual condition of another human being a bad thing. But the real irony of your post is that, after an uninformed attempt at lecturing him about judging others, you end with calling him a hateful, bigoted moron.

          Jesus coined a word for that kind of behavior. Hypocrisy.

          • Cecilhawkins

            Jesus coined the word? I doubt it. Hypocrisy comes from the Greek… see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

          • Vernva

            Cecilhawkins, I believe pearls before swine was using a metaphor to illustrate that part of Jesus mission was to illuminate and denounce those who preached tolerance and good Godly values, yet did not carry them out. Another tidbit most Liberals should consider as they tout tolerance yet attempt to shut down any conversation which doe not follow their edict. One who believes would argue all words come from God and therefore Jesus. As twas God who gave man a voice.

          • Vernva

            Cecilhawkins, I believe pearls before swine was using a metaphor to illustrate that part of Jesus mission was to illuminate and denounce those who preached tolerance and good Godly values, yet did not carry them out. Another tidbit most Liberals should consider as they tout tolerance yet attempt to shut down any conversation which doe not follow their edict. One who believes would argue all words come from God and therefore Jesus. As twas God who gave man a voice.

          • Vernva

            Cecilhawkins, I believe pearls before swine was using a metaphor to illustrate that part of Jesus mission was to illuminate and denounce those who preached tolerance and good Godly values, yet did not carry them out. Another tidbit most Liberals should consider as they tout tolerance yet attempt to shut down any conversation which doe not follow their edict. One who believes would argue all words come from God and therefore Jesus. As twas God who gave man a voice.

          • Thedr8

            Oh, come on. Jesus did a lot of things if you believe the scriptures but I am positive that he did not coin the word “hypocrisy.”

          • Thedr8

            Oh, come on. Jesus did a lot of things if you believe the scriptures but I am positive that he did not coin the word “hypocrisy.”

          • pearls before swine is a idiot

            pearls I would comment on your response more in depth, but it is so dumb I don’t know where to start!

        • Kearly

          Your the ignorant bigot – twit

        • Wohlfguy

          And you judge.

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/B6F63QRD25KIPZ5J5I2A3AVYL4 Red

          Poor liberal bonehead, he calls for people to turn away from sinful things and you call him hateful, ignorant and bigoted. Using that logic…..of which you have none, I command you to NOT run with scissors and knives. See you in Emer care Obot.

        • Beidson

          The Bible also says by their fruits you will know them…this whole Judge Not thing is wayyyy out of context. Love the sinner but hate the sin….

          • Slooper2

            You are exactly right. I neglected to state that in my first post. Sadly, we are seeing the fruits or lack thereof in our government. It is tragic!

          • Prophet

            or look at the three groups in Matt 7….study it and apply it so you don’t sound like a uneducated gumdrop when you quote MY bible.

          • Prophet

            or look at the three groups in Matt 7….study it and apply it so you don’t sound like a uneducated gumdrop when you quote MY bible.

          • Stauvin

            I have read the surrounding posts and have respects for my brothers and sisters on here. While it is true that WE must love anyone, the idea that God Himself loves the sinner and not the sin thing is a little off, it would look good on a Christian tee-shirt but it is not biblical. See Psalm 5. He hates all who do evil. This obviously includes us. This is what makes the sacrifice of His son needed, and His love so great. It is important that we understand this so our posture will be appropriate in relation to His holiness.

            Moving on, I was at work when I watched this video, I stopped working and prayed with. I pray you Christians stay strong in the Word and teach your kids like people used to in this country. We are the hope of this country, we are the salt! Our words will be gracious, but salty.

            In love.

          • http://twitter.com/Grendel007 David Griffin

            Sin is missing the mark of Godliness and holiness.
            Do not use it as a synonym for evil.
            It is not evil to make a mistake.
            It is simply failing to live up to the holiness of God.

          • Steve

            True, but in James we know that there is “sin that is deadly”, known in modern language at mortal sin. There are people who mistakenly do what offends God, yes. Part of what makes the difference is full knowledge and consent of the will: the Lord speaks of how those who hear him are more culpable than those who have not heard his Word, and we are exhorted repeatedly to avoid being stubborn about our sins.

            When you’re fully informed and unrepentant you’re in some dangerous territory.

          • Steve

            True, but in James we know that there is “sin that is deadly”, known in modern language at mortal sin. There are people who mistakenly do what offends God, yes. Part of what makes the difference is full knowledge and consent of the will: the Lord speaks of how those who hear him are more culpable than those who have not heard his Word, and we are exhorted repeatedly to avoid being stubborn about our sins.

            When you’re fully informed and unrepentant you’re in some dangerous territory.

          • Johndoe

            A mistake is forgetting to put a stamp on the envelope before you mail it, or adding the numbers wrong when balancing your checkbook,etc. Sin, on the other hand, is anything that is contrary to God’s laws – murder, theft, lying, abortion, homosexuality, sex with anyone to whom you are not married, etc.- and IS most definately evil. “For ALL have sinned and come short of the Glory of God.” Repenting of your sins and asking for God’s forgiveness through the blood of Jesus is the ONLY way to ‘hit the mark’ of Godliness and Holiness!

          • Cliff92335

            David wrote, “He hates all who do evil” but, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners,” (evil doers) “Christ died for us.” God cannot love us and hate us at the same time. He loves us but hates the sin that we do. That’s why he died for us, because he loves us..and I’m thankful for that.

          • Vermarc

            For God so loved the world he gave His Son.

        • qdog

          MORON!

        • qdog

          MORON!

        • TheTruthHurts

          I pray for you to come face to face with your Brethren MOOSLIMES & Enjoy all that LOVE & EQUALITY & FAIR TREATMENT of WOMEN. The only one weeping here will YOU when your Brethren MOOSLIMES KILL YOU – PUSSY!

          • A. Iingram

            Wish you could speak without using such language. I was taught that those who do just don’t have enough of the right words in their vocabulary, so they like to use the nasty, degrading ones. I wonder if you talk like this in front of your wife and children (if you have them.)

        • Dismayed

          Where do you get “Guest” is hateful, ignorant and a bigoted moron who dishonors Jesus in the following sentence?

          “I have a ‘former friend’ who fits the description of your friend to a tee. Very sad. I grieve for the state of his soul.”

          Geez, my fiend, you are one angry person. You might even be…*gasp*…filled with hate! Surely not. Here is something you WILL find in the whole of Scripture: Forgiveness. I’m not sure you know much about forgiveness, but if you repent and call on the name of Jesus you too can be saved/forgiven.

        • rich

          I deely feel sorry for you Cwj415

        • jls

          Good play on words for someone who does not believe. A good Christian does not try and force his beliefs on someone else, but can worry about them and pray for them giving testimony to them about God. Your statement on “Christian Morons” pretty well demostrates where you stand on this topic. It is sad when a person who does not have any faith will try and use someone else’s believe against them with parables from the bible. It only shows how desperate one may get when they are lost. You wonder when any act where something that that happens to endanger you life, Most people without belief will still cry out for God… just remember you may run, but you can not hide, for he see’s and hears all.. have a good day now !

        • Blakerin

          Do you even know what that saying in The Bible means?~~~ “Judge not lest ye be Judged” It is the most misunderstood verse in The Bible and lefties love to use it.
          The Judgement Christians are to refrain from is judgement concerning the eternal fate of anyone.
          We are not to con fuse The Judement of actions of people sitting in Jedgement over them as to their eternal fate. Reluctance to make Jedgement concerning sinfull acts is to produce that type of Paralysis and inactivity that has brought both Contempary Society and American Christians to their present plight.
          If you are going to throw Bible vverses out you should know what they mean.

        • brandon

          Typical tripe from those libs on the left. Is that the only verse you know? You take it out of context anyway. Here’s a verse I bet you aren’t familiar with: “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Put that in your drink box!

        • abeliever

          how would you know?

        • Anonymous

          Jesus weeps as you throw names at the Baptized.
          Perhaps you are not of the Baptized and are just using the Good Lord’s Name in vane.
          Sadly, methinks this is the case, and rather than be a Muslim and want you dead
          as a blasphemer, I join my fellow Baptized believers in praying for your soul and ours as well.
          We Christians understand that we are not perfect and pray in humility to a forgiving loving God. My guess is you have no humility and cry out for justice, justice justice.
          The wickedness of man cries out for Justice in the name of Man, not God.
          For whom do you cry Justice?

        • Anonymous

          Let me guess? GAY?

        • Anonymous

          Lets do a quiz
          Who are you more likely to find in Africa helping the poor and feeding the hungry?
          A) NAACP
          B) GAY MENS HEALTH CRISIS
          C) Members of the Christian Right

          • Kevin Stowell

            ‘Nuf said.

          • Wayneabarrett

            You hit the nail on the head. A gay man spends most of his life focusing on his sex life as if anyone really cares, the NAACP spends most of their time looking for racists that don’t exist except in the case of the mean ole whitie who doesn’t know it yet but hes a racist. Christians are the true humanitarians and they except all races and sinners of all orientations

          • Slooper2

            Amen and Amen!

          • Slooper2

            Amen and Amen!

          • Slooper2

            Amen and Amen!

          • Anonymous

            If we receive not the love of the truth, God will send strong delusions that we may never learn the truth. Enter the Benny Hinns of the world and the doctrine of ‘God’s unconditional love’. Ask the sodomites of old and the unrepentant of the future about ‘unconditional’ love……….John 3:36 and 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12

          • Chris

            God’s doesn’t seal anyone’s fate because He doesn’t unconditionally love, rather people seal their own fate through their own choices…. these verses essentially outline the outcome of peoples choices. His love and any so called man made mythical, theological boundaries around it have nothing to do with his faithfulness in loving all men unconditionally (John 3:16-17) through Jesus Christ… It’s all about our choices in response to that unconditional love. If we spurn it, we have huge problems. If we respond with faith in Jesus Christ with thankfulness seasoned with repentance, it’s all good….

          • Chris

            God’s doesn’t seal anyone’s fate because He doesn’t unconditionally love, rather people seal their own fate through their own choices…. these verses essentially outline the outcome of peoples choices. His love and any so called man made mythical, theological boundaries around it have nothing to do with his faithfulness in loving all men unconditionally (John 3:16-17) through Jesus Christ… It’s all about our choices in response to that unconditional love. If we spurn it, we have huge problems. If we respond with faith in Jesus Christ with thankfulness seasoned with repentance, it’s all good….

          • Anonymous

            AMEN!

          • Anonymous

            AMEN!

          • Rmosby

            As a Christian Calvinist, I disagree with your flawed doctrine. Can man frustrate the will of the Creator by saying “No”? “For many are called, but few are chosen.” Matt 22:14 “The rest of mankind God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of His own will, whereby He extendeth or withholdeth mercy, as He pleaseth, for the glory of His Sovereign power over His creatures, to pass by; and to ordain them to dishonour and wrath for their sin, to the praise of His glorious justice. (Chap. III — Articles I, III, VI and VII Westminster Confession of Faith)

            All that being said these Demoncrats are so filled with bile and hate that they only tolerate those that agree with them. That is not tolerance, but bigotry. Demoncrats, liberals, progressives, fascists (all the same) must be beaten politically. They can not be trusted with power. They can not resist trying to subjugate, suborn, and enslave free peoples.

          • Nampamarinerfan

            People often do things that God does not prefer. That’s why we have sin.

          • Nampamarinerfan

            People often do things that God does not prefer. That’s why we have sin.

          • Rmosby

            Sin exists, however even sin does not and can not frustrate, change or alter will of a Sovereign Creator God. If it can then he is not God…

            A Sovereign Creator God can do, understand and perform things that we will never understand and to us creations are apparent contradictions. “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD”. Isa 55:8 “I know you can do all things, and no purpose of yours can be thwarted.” Job 42:2

            Not really on topic for this discussion but…
            “God from all eternity did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass;(a) yet so as thereby neither is God the author of sin,(b) nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures, nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.(c)” ( WCF Chap. III — Article I)

            a. Rom 9:15, 18; 11:33; Eph 1:11; Heb 6:17. • b. James 1:13, 17; 1 John 1:5. • c. Prov 16:33; Mat 17:12; John 19:11; Acts 2:23; 4:27-28

          • Bible Reader

            Calvinist?……..really?!!? Don’t use that word near Christianity. Your doctrine is flawed. Re-read the entire bible again and rethink your life. Your argument has been rendered invalid.

          • Rmosby

            Who rendered the word of God invalid? You? Why should I trust you? I have provided Bible verses to back up my ideas. You re-think…I am on firm foundation that I am heading in the right direction.

          • G_Oliver

            No, man does not frustrate God when he says “No” to Him. True, he is making his own choice, but God already knew he would make that choice to not believe. It is because of Adam we are born with this problem. True, Eve ate first, then gave the fruit to Adam, but Adam ate willingly. While I disagree with your Christian Calvinist beliefs, I believe that your argument has full validity, as this is something that should come up in one’s discussion of faith.

          • Jim Harrison

            All true believers are Calvinists deep down inside. They preach like Arminians, but pray like Calvinists. If God has done all he can do to save your loved ones, and the rest is “up to them,” then why pray that God will do more? Without the effectual call there is nothing in man that commends itself to God. Those dead in trespasses and sins cannot repent or believe. The Lord must quicken them to enable them to embrace Jesus Christ as he is offered in the gospel.

          • Johndoe

            God gives man free-will. Does the murderer who kills then takes his own life go to Heaven? I think not. “God is not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance” The choice is ours, individually. “Choose you this day whom ye will serve”.

          • Rmosby

            As a Christian Calvinist, I disagree with your flawed doctrine. Can man frustrate the will of the Creator by saying “No”? “For many are called, but few are chosen.” Matt 22:14 “The rest of mankind God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of His own will, whereby He extendeth or withholdeth mercy, as He pleaseth, for the glory of His Sovereign power over His creatures, to pass by; and to ordain them to dishonour and wrath for their sin, to the praise of His glorious justice. (Chap. III — Articles I, III, VI and VII Westminster Confession of Faith)

            All that being said these Demoncrats are so filled with bile and hate that they only tolerate those that agree with them. That is not tolerance, but bigotry. Demoncrats, liberals, progressives, fascists (all the same) must be beaten politically. They can not be trusted with power. They can not resist trying to subjugate, suborn, and enslave free peoples.

          • http://twitter.com/Grendel007 David Griffin

            Sovereignty of God
            Responsibility of men

          • cam

            everything I learned 40+ yrs. ago (as most did) were the strengths that got the US to # 1, now those “learnings” are going, going, gone?
            If you believe in God AT ALL, then how can you NOT believe in YOUR human, individual
            responsibility?? It is EZ to be enabled; with money, materialism, anything..that is EZ.
            Existing is really EZ. Living is hard, AND it is wonderful (a moment can fill a life) and the more you do ALL by yourself the more you accomplish and TRULY enjoy Living. I am from Detroit from the inner city riots. I am working class lower middle class (trailer-country trash) living in paradise, and thanking God for every moment.

          • Milo

            Hey, don’t pick on Benny Hill. God has a reason and a job for him: to provide a laugh a minute during his circus.

          • believer

            We were at a Benny Hinn meeting in 1989. Came a half hour early and got a seat in the last row. The place was packed. During the prayer time, he called out people with need problems. My 34 year old wife couldn’t get on her knees to wash the floor. Her knees became hot for about ten minutes. When she got up the next day they were perfect. 21 years later they are still perfect.

            Men aren’t perfect and Benny Hinn isn’t Jesus. Many doubt until they see the truth. I’ve seen him heal. And no one can change that fact.

          • robbie34

            GOD heals, not Benny. Sorry.

          • Milo

            Hey, don’t pick on Benny Hill. God has a reason and a job for him: to provide a laugh a minute during his circus.

          • mark

            The NAACP needs to examine the racists in ITS organization.

          • mark

            The NAACP needs to examine the racists in ITS organization.

          • Triple A

            Bingo

          • Chris

            ABSOLUTELY correct!

          • Tired of False Christians

            I could care less who they are feeding in Africa when the evil Christian right is spreading it’s hate in this country. My faith has shown me that most of you believe false doctrine and are are the wicked in this land.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5RKQ5URK7CDZDSD5546COO7CFY Squiggy

            Look for hypocrites all the time and guess what you find?

          • Anonymous

            Yes I am sure you consider the Salvation Army just a bunch of crazed Bible
            Thumpers.I can see you HATE those who help others

          • Anonymous

            Yes I am sure you consider the Salvation Army just a bunch of crazed Bible
            Thumpers.I can see you HATE those who help others

          • Cliff92335

            Please list at least one act of hate perpetrated by a REAL Christian and what part of “false doctrine” are you referring to? I would like to know so, as a Christian, I won’t make the mistakes that you are talking about.

          • roundtruck

            Sounds like you have a lot of hate and bigotry goin on there…just sayin’

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2QRQPAEXMTK2CIKSTCCA6CKLFE Redfray

            You want find a communist thinking group helping the poor or hungry, you can’t even find it in history. You can find where the Christian religious groups have helped the communist thinking societies. In fact, if it hadn’t been for a Christian group, mohammed would have died. Check your history?

          • Anonymous

            I agree with you

        • A. Ingram

          I’m sure that this good man HAS paid attention to his soul and to His God, who gave us the words that he spoke in the Bible. May you who are so quick to judge yourselves come to find the Lord that Lincoln knew.

        • A. Ingram

          I’m sure that this good man HAS paid attention to his soul and to His God, who gave us the words that he spoke in the Bible. May you who are so quick to judge yourselves come to find the Lord that Lincoln knew.

        • RoxyLynne

          Actually, as Christians we are told to judge “righteously” or as God would judge. You can’t go through life not making judgements. We are supposed to use the yardstick we have been given, the scriptures, and make judgements. But each man is responsible and accountable for his own behavior to God. And since only one man was perfect, luckily we have been given the gift of repentance and can change ourselves.

          • Lee

            Finally someone who knows the Bible and takes it in CONTEXT

          • Lee

            Only Christians and Conservatives judge, Really, tell me how many of you marxist, liberals and democrats purposely dated and married the ugliest girl or boy you could find because You wanted to be tolerant? Thats what I thought

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZNEI5T7YXG6FCDTEDESUBPSNKU CharlesM

          As Christians we are called to discern. That is not the same as judging.

        • drb

          CWXJ415
          So why are you being judgemental yourself
          I suggest you pay more attention to the state of YOUR OWN SOUL as well and not worry about the hateful, ignorant, bigotted morons on the far right. Very judgemental

          • Steve

            CWXJ415: the common ruse that those of us who are on the far right are hateful, bigoted or moronic is a tactic used by those who wish to discredit their ideological foes and censor their speech. The truth however is this, as for the hate, I see plenty of it coming from the left (even in your own words) to say that hate is not owned by an ideology but by humanity. As for the bigoted aspect of your claim perhaps you should read your history. It was the conservatives and the republicans that risked their lives to end slavery and republicans responsible for the first civil rights bill which was rejected by democrats and republicans who were responsible for including blacks in key political positions in the face of overt political pressure from the left. The only thing I can add about the state of the conservative mindset is that we tend to have a firm grasp on reality which includes the real history of this nation as we are not swayed by the anti-American rhetoric of the left. If you find that moronic, well then I will leave you to your opinion.

          • Steve

            CWXJ415: the common ruse that those of us who are on the far right are hateful, bigoted or moronic is a tactic used by those who wish to discredit their ideological foes and censor their speech. The truth however is this, as for the hate, I see plenty of it coming from the left (even in your own words) to say that hate is not owned by an ideology but by humanity. As for the bigoted aspect of your claim perhaps you should read your history. It was the conservatives and the republicans that risked their lives to end slavery and republicans responsible for the first civil rights bill which was rejected by democrats and republicans who were responsible for including blacks in key political positions in the face of overt political pressure from the left. The only thing I can add about the state of the conservative mindset is that we tend to have a firm grasp on reality which includes the real history of this nation as we are not swayed by the anti-American rhetoric of the left. If you find that moronic, well then I will leave you to your opinion.

        • Hadenuf

          You have drank the kool-aid of the left and the media. Your comment about the “hateful, ignorant, bigoted morons on the far right”certainly isn’ t Christ-like either. Yes, Jesus weeps for this country and the ones who are trying to destroy it, and wipe out any reference to what this country was founded on. Your comment was very telling. Repent.

        • Dryhole100

          So then how is one to discuss and conclude evil is evil? Call it good? He did not condemn him to hell but lamented his spiral into an individual who could not call evil evil but one who was apparently persuaded by a political belief. You error as did those condemning the congressman who said it was not a political party or the Republican that would guide the way.

        • Jrandolph

          Wait… aren’t you now judging the person who is supposedly judging? I’m so confused!

        • Operations

          I love it when people take a verse out of context and use it to support an argument. Sigh….In actuality, if you read the rest of the verse it says that you should remove the plank from your own eye before you take the speck out of your brothers eye. The point of that verse is that if you ARE going to make a judgment about somebody, make sure YOU don’t have the same problem.
          Also, one of the MAJOR points of this article shows that “hateful, ignorant, bigotted morons” aren’t limited to the far right. Hmmmm….is that a plank in your eye?

        • Bob

          If you study Matthew 7, you will see thatall judgments are not prohibited. In fact Mat 7:16 says “you will know them by their fruits.” We have to discern between right and wrong, i.e. we are called upon to make judgments. Of course, we shouldn’t make hypocritical judgements, but the Word of God gives us a source for making righteous judgments. The bible (Mat 7:5) says Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your own eye. John 7:24 says, …..judge with righteous judgment. In the final analysis, only God can judge a person’s eternal destiny; maybe Guest grieves based on statements made by and the observable fruits of his friend.

          I have observed (judged if you like) that people who pull out the “Judge not, lest ye be judged” from the bible are usually not readers of or even believers in the bible. Are you?

        • WV4ever

          So why do we have courts, you think every juror or judge who handed down a judgment is on the high way to hell???? How in the world would you know if Jesus weeps?? I don’t claim to be a christian, but, you’re just an ignoramus, no judgment, just an observation from your post. I suggest you pay more attention to YOUR OWN SOUL , you moron, I don’t know a lot about Christianity, but, I’d say Christ, I guess that’s where they get the name, from what I’ve heard, in no way would support abortion, gay rights, or taking money from other peoples pockets to give to those who WILL NOT work!!! You’re an ignorant, bigoted far left looney-toons moron in my opinion. Or judgment, or whatever you want to call it, I frankly don’t give a damn.

        • Scott

          Before Jesus departed to His heavenly throne to take His position as Lord and Christ, He spent a final time with His eleven disciples. The last command that He gave them was this: “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age” (Matthew 28:19-20).

          If these are the last words that Jesus gave His disciples, we must consider that they are of the utmost importance to Him, and to ourselves. Jesus commands us to tell others about Him

        • Twiw

          May the God you revile curse you to hell for your blasphemy and your hatred.

          • Witness

            Now now, Twiw…is that what Jesus would do when confronted with blasphemy and hatred? Remember the story of the two disciples who wanted to call fire down from heaven to consume those who refused Jesus passage through their city? Did He give them the okay to do so, or rebuke them for their wrong attitude? Should we condemn people to hell for hatred, or pray that God would turn their hearts toward Him…something He is quite capable of doing, even without our help?

          • Witness

            Now now, Twiw…is that what Jesus would do when confronted with blasphemy and hatred? Remember the story of the two disciples who wanted to call fire down from heaven to consume those who refused Jesus passage through their city? Did He give them the okay to do so, or rebuke them for their wrong attitude? Should we condemn people to hell for hatred, or pray that God would turn their hearts toward Him…something He is quite capable of doing, even without our help?

          • Witness

            Now now, Twiw…is that what Jesus would do when confronted with blasphemy and hatred? Remember the story of the two disciples who wanted to call fire down from heaven to consume those who refused Jesus passage through their city? Did He give them the okay to do so, or rebuke them for their wrong attitude? Should we condemn people to hell for hatred, or pray that God would turn their hearts toward Him…something He is quite capable of doing, even without our help?

          • Steve

            Wow, way too harsh for a follower of Christ to admonish another with wishes for eternal damnation. God can take care of Himself. Never wish hell on anyone because you have NO clue as to what the person that you are damning will eventually do in the name of Christ. You should apologize and not repeat this behavior.

        • Twiw

          May the God you revile curse you to hell for your blasphemy and your hatred.

        • Mborofsky

          Actually, you have totally taken the “judge not lest ye be judged” way out of context and without biblical or theological understanding. The Apostle Paul said that we as Christians should see what is “fruit bearing” meaning are they aligned with the world or God’s view.

          I am unsure what you mean to dishonor Jesus. As a Christian I can look at the world and use the Word of God as my plumb line. This gives me clarity as to what is right and wrong, absolutes if you will.

        • Anonymous

          You’re ignorant CWXJ415. You have NO idea of what Jesus said. You should finish the sentence Jesus said. “with the same judgement.” I don’t mind people judging me with the same judgment that I judge them. Otherwise I would be a HYPOCRITE, which is what Jesus was condemning. You should really dust your Bible off, (if you actually have one) and read Matthew 23. Yeah, the whole chapter.
          Liberals, so ignorant.

          Livingfortruth.wordpress.com

        • Llill00llill

          christian haters always bring up the “judge not” passage in the scriptures, but they stop at that verse. May I suggest you read the immediate following verses in Matthew describing what christians must do before they judge. This is NOT an admonition against judging others…but rather an instructional guide on what we as christians must do BEFORE we judge.

        • Steve

          If you were to delve into the “Judge not…” admonishment you would find that a christian is supposed to judge (read discern) the actions of another who claims the name of Christ. With that said, we can assume that the guy in question ‘was’ a believer and therefore it is acceptable to judge the appropriateness of anothers life in light of Christs’. Keeping in mind that we are less than perfect and must also accept admonishment from others. We cannot do the same for those who do not claim the name of Christ as may be the case in light of your disappointing and rant of a comment.

        • Rzpoolman

          It is a trick of the intellectual to actually know something before attempting to comment on it. Do know anything ELSE Jesus said? Know what He was doing for the last 3 years of His life? Know why He chose to die? That information is widely known and available to the inquiring mind. A little research before commenting or making an absurdly inaccurate comment might lend credibility- if nothing else- to your comment would be more cogent and less virulent.

        • Rzpoolman

          It is a trick of the intellectual to actually know something before attempting to comment on it. Do know anything ELSE Jesus said? Know what He was doing for the last 3 years of His life? Know why He chose to die? That information is widely known and available to the inquiring mind. A little research before commenting or making an absurdly inaccurate comment might lend credibility- if nothing else- to your comment would be more cogent and less virulent.

        • Galtrules

          Such an uneducated view of Scripture. The Scriptures never tell believers not to be judges. How foolish of you to cite this one verse but to ignore all others that speak of judgment. Christians are called out to be discerning but to not make determinations about the state of another salvation as that is for God to decide. We are called to be careful to examine ourselves first before we question others, but we are NEVER told to not question others.

        • Nojahaddad939

          A Christian knows the state of his own soul…….DO YOU?

        • Chuckn0804

          Christ will forgive those who ask for forgiveness. Instead of reading the Cliff Notes of the Bible, you should read the whole thing. On Golgotha there were two criminals who were there, but only one asked for forgiveness and ascended with Christ. Its no judgement to grieve for those who will not be saved becuase they have not asked for it, again its in the Bible. We pray and grieve for those who don’t repent, but you are right God will judge ALL.

        • Galtrules

          Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?
          1Cr 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?

          Are you so ignorant of Scripture that you understand nothing in regards to the matters of judging?

        • PleaseGetOverYourself

          You Sir, are an ass. You attempt to put forth this false pretense of being “holier than thou” and then put in your slam about the right. By the way, since you are holier that the rest of us apparently; do you actually have any idea of the contect of your ‘qoute’ from the book (which by the way is not right). And yes, since I do teach the book to our children each and every Sunday; I, for one, do actually know what I’m talking about.

        • Indypendent1

          I really hate when people that don’t know their Bible claim Jesus said anything. Especially when they want to pull the “don’t judge” card. Please read your whole Bible before you take Crist’s words out of context.

        • chuck

          You must be the devils advocate. He also mis-quoted the context of scripture just as you have.

        • Newshound

          If you watched Anne of Green Gables, you may remember this line. ‘I imagine God himself would not entirely meet with (your) approval.’ The subtleties of Jesus’ actual words will probably be lost on you, but with every work you spoke, you proved he was right.
          ‘I come not to bring peace, but a sword. For the father will be pitted against his sons, the mother against her daughters…’ and again, ‘You will be hated for my name’s sake and the time comes that when they kill you, they will say they are doing God a service.’
          How about you? Do you think you’d be doing the world a favor by ‘getting rid’ of those pesky, pesky Christian ‘morons’ you hate so much…?

        • Howey Fagowey

          “Jesus Wept” my critical friend. Jesus was the only sinless man. We are in the flesh and will continue to sin but are righteous thru his passion and death at the cross. Stop the name calling as you only project those names unto yourself.

        • Howey Fagowey

          “Jesus Wept” my critical friend. Jesus was the only sinless man. We are in the flesh and will continue to sin but are righteous thru his passion and death at the cross. Stop the name calling as you only project those names unto yourself.

        • Howey Fagowey

          “Jesus Wept” my critical friend. Jesus was the only sinless man. We are in the flesh and will continue to sin but are righteous thru his passion and death at the cross. Stop the name calling as you only project those names unto yourself.

        • Conservative

          cwxj415,

          you know nothing about the human condition and God’s love for us in spite of ourselves. you are the hypocrite!

        • Slooper2

          I agree that we all need to pay attention to our own souls. That being said, however, we are commanded to go and preach the gospel to all nations, which means that I am commanded by God to care about your soul and the soul of everyone else. It is NOT judgmental to care about another person’s soul.

          Like so many other leftists, you say that Christians are ignorant, bigoted morons. Well, that is just not true. There are bigoted and ignorant peoples in ALL walks of life and in all parties of government. You are tolerant, obviously, of only those things with which you agree.

          Jesus does weep, and He weeps for every lost soul in the world because “For God SO loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. Christ died on the cross for every single human being in the entire world and He loves us all the very same. There will come a time in the future when every man and woman and child will stand before Him and give an account for his or her life. If your name is not written in the “Lamb’s Book of Life”, you WILL NOT have everlasting life in Heaven. I pray that I will see you in Heaven. May God richly bless you. :)

        • Slooper2

          I agree that we all need to pay attention to our own souls. That being said, however, we are commanded to go and preach the gospel to all nations, which means that I am commanded by God to care about your soul and the soul of everyone else. It is NOT judgmental to care about another person’s soul.

          Like so many other leftists, you say that Christians are ignorant, bigoted morons. Well, that is just not true. There are bigoted and ignorant peoples in ALL walks of life and in all parties of government. You are tolerant, obviously, of only those things with which you agree.

          Jesus does weep, and He weeps for every lost soul in the world because “For God SO loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. Christ died on the cross for every single human being in the entire world and He loves us all the very same. There will come a time in the future when every man and woman and child will stand before Him and give an account for his or her life. If your name is not written in the “Lamb’s Book of Life”, you WILL NOT have everlasting life in Heaven. I pray that I will see you in Heaven. May God richly bless you. :)

        • http://twitter.com/Gaiking Jim

          John 7:24 says “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”….Christians may judge others……but we must judge on the truth…not by appearance only. Next time before YOU start judging Christians you should learn a bit more about the Bible otherwise you come across as ignorant and foolish.

        • guest

          Apparently you judge too!

        • Ck Tim

          Cwxj415 knows not what follows his favorite bible quotation above…

          In Matthew 7 Jesus goes on to urge us to judge righteously. Most on the left only read so far. But then the practice he wants is to force his belief on you on how to behave… yet hypocrticially he does not practice what he commands upon others. Read his penumltimate paragraph,,,

          //Exactly what we’ve all come to expect from the hateful, ignorant, bigotted morons on the far right who call themselves “Christians’, but are nothing of the sort.//

          Wow… such judgment! It is not known by any other name, but HYPOCRISY!

        • Ck Tim

          Cwxj415 knows not what follows his favorite bible quotation above…

          In Matthew 7 Jesus goes on to urge us to judge righteously. Most on the left only read so far. But then the practice he wants is to force his belief on you on how to behave… yet hypocrticially he does not practice what he commands upon others. Read his penumltimate paragraph,,,

          //Exactly what we’ve all come to expect from the hateful, ignorant, bigotted morons on the far right who call themselves “Christians’, but are nothing of the sort.//

          Wow… such judgment! It is not known by any other name, but HYPOCRISY!

        • Infocyde

          Jesus weeps for the people do not believe and reject the truths of John 3:3, John 3:16, John 3:36, John 14:6, Romans 3:23, Acts 4:12 and ultimately Romans 10:9. Do you reject Jesus (by rejecting His word) and then cast stones at the “morons” who might fail to live perfectly but accept these foundational truths as reality? Please do not select portions of Christianity for your own agenda while you reject other parts. That makes you just a hypocrite, the same sin you are accusing the above poster of commiting.

        • Roborep1975

          Read what you wrote! Who is ignorant and hateful? Here are the facts: The United States was founded as a Christian country and a country of religious tolerance. Most of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christians. Almost everyone in this country, except atheists, the ACLU and liberal Democrats, can agree that the 10 Commandments are an acceptable moral standard that, if followed, would make this a better country and world. The Judeo-Christian traditions are the basis for most of the laws and moral standards in this, and most civilized societies. If you choose not to be a Christian, that’s your choice. But since almost every religion and culture doesn’t have a problem with these standards, why should the 99% who believe them have to be subservient to the 1% who are offended? BTW, when the Supreme Court ruled against religion in the 40′s they were wrong. Justice Hugo Black, who wrote the opinion , was an avowed racist. He also misinterpreted the Thomas Jefferson letter to the Danbury Baptists. “Separation of Church and State” is a fallacy. What the Constitution meant was there shouldn’t be a “state” religion like Baptist or Presbyterian etc. It DID NOT state that religion should be absent from the public sector. It states clearly that there is “freedom OF religion” NOT “freedom FROM religion” This is a fabrication of the left wing anti-Christian liberals. I can state with absolute certainty that this country has morally declined since this ruling. Any moral/civic standard which you can choose (ie out-of-wedlock births, abortion, high school drop out rates, murder etc) has declined. Moral relativism and the lack of accountability has caused this country to teeter on the brink of destruction. Ignorant, knee jerk anti-Christian reactions like yours are the reason our moral values have slid downhill. God help this country. God please continue to bless this country.

          • ItsJo

            Roborep: What an excellent post. You ARE spot on. The moral decline in America is astounding-we have so called Reverends that preach Hate & Race Bait at every turn(it’s how they make their mone) and don’t teach their own about having children at young ages, that become taxpayers duties. There is the Progressive Liberals, that for over 40 yrs. have been trying to infiltrate and bring America down financially and morally. They have done a pretty good job with this fraud in office, don’t you think? He is a puppet for Soros, the evil puppeteer(you can read for yourselves at: Commieblasters.com)
            and with the ‘hidden organizations that are crooked and run by Soros, is it ANY wonder that we are STILL even functioning here in our Republic? Well, of late, the PEOPLE have stepped up to the plate and letting these crooked/thug politicos KNOW, that we love America(even if the Muslim doesn’t) and WE will take our country back. Those who fought
            to keep America, the Republic Free, will NOT HAVE DONE SO IN VAIN. Again, thanks for your excellent post.

          • Bruce Benefield

            Sorry to pee on your tirade-parade! But we…the USA…are indeed NOT a Christian nation; rather, we are a secular nation of mostly Christians, who’s political foundations are based upon and housed within a recognized Judeo-Christian ethic. As a result, we are…in theory, as least…a nation that worships the sanctity of all religions, or one’s right to declare no religious affiliation whatsoever. This covenant anchored within the grand experiment know as the American Constitution has created the greatest civilization in the entire history of mankind. Yet it’s enemies are many and all too often difficult to identify, for they are mostly from within. Wasn’t it PoGo in “Winnie-The-Poo” who said: “I have seen the enemy, and he are us!’

          • Chris

            Bruce,
            I would suggest you try reading the works of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and others. Many of our founding fathers plainly declare their allegiance to the Lord. Many were indeed Christians. Let’s also throw in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Many clearly recognized God as the final authority in life and held to those principles affirmed by the Bible. No, we were not founded as “Christian” nation. Yes, we are certainly a nation founded solidly on a belief in God with laws based on Christian practice.
            There is no “separation of church and state” within the Constitution. What the founding fathers did not want was a situation like the Church of England, where the government ran the church house. The phrase separation of church and state was in a private letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association, declaring exactly that, there would not be a church that was run by the government in this country. Liberals do not look at the situation with historical accuracy. Any nation that does not pay attention to history is doomed to repeat it.
            You are right in saying “I have seen the enemy and he are us.” The enemy are those who are pushing Christianity out of any public sphere at all. When they throw out Christianity, they throw out the baby with the bath water because they are throwing out the principles and practices which, for centuries, have allowed our nation to develop into the greatest on earth.

          • Progressives are anti-progress

            America was founded as a non-denominational Christian nation. I recommend looking at House Resolution 888 of the First Session of the 110th Congress for a recent summation of our heritage. The following references barely scratch the surface of the evidence for America’s Christian heritage:

            “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty-as well as privilege and interest- of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”—John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court.

            In 1854, the House Judiciary Committee said: “in this age, there is no substitute for Christianity…That was the religion of the founders of the republic, and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.”

            “To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.”—George Washington

            “Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited!… What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be.”—John Adams, 2nd President

            “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded . . . . . on the gospel of Jesus Christ.”—Patrick Henry

            “By our form of government, the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed on the same equal footing.”—Runkel vs. Winemiller et al, 1799

            “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise. In this sense and to this extent, our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian.”—US Supreme Court, 1892

        • Wwalden

          It is judge not unless ye are judged by the same standard. Not that we shouldn’t judge but rather not be hypocrites. Now who is the party of double standards? Oh Yes it is a trick question.

        • Wwalden

          It is judge not unless ye are judged by the same standard. Not that we shouldn’t judge but rather not be hypocrites. Now who is the party of double standards? Oh Yes it is a trick question.

        • Guest

          Cwxj415 is a great example of liberal do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do hypocrisy as he/she uses hate speech while condemning someone else who doesn’t believe in his/her worldview. Money-grubbing preachers aren’t the only hypocrites out there.

          Cwxj415, great job proving you’re just as capable of the hypocrisy you (I’m guessing you’re a democrat because of your hate-filled comments) liberals condemn in Christians! Well done!!!

        • Guest

          Cwxj415 is a great example of liberal do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do hypocrisy as he/she uses hate speech while condemning someone else who doesn’t believe in his/her worldview. Money-grubbing preachers aren’t the only hypocrites out there.

          Cwxj415, great job proving you’re just as capable of the hypocrisy you (I’m guessing you’re a democrat because of your hate-filled comments) liberals condemn in Christians! Well done!!!

        • Gusvt85

          Cwxj415

          Isn’t saying that people are “hateful, ignorant, bigoted morons” judging? Maybe you should read the rest of the passage in Matthew Chapter 7, rather than just quoting part of it. Verse 5 says that you should “cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then thou shalt see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.” The whole point of the passage relates not to making judgments but to the hypocrisy of trying to tell your brother about his flaws when you have the same flaw, only much worse. However, Jesus makes clear that once you have worked out your own flaws, it is appropriate to go to your brother and show him his flaw – how else can your brother learn?

        • Prophet

          Cwxj415….if you used scripture for your own life and apply it, you realize from the context you are way off in your quote of the bible. You don’t know your bible and probabbly heard that from the same guy James is talking about.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UHMCOV5CXMKYXVTEU3N443GFAU Earl Nightengale

          Hey foolish moron, don’t quote what you know nothing of. Your time is coming and quickly. When you face the God of the universe for judgement, your big mouth will be sealed and not even able to utter the smallest of sounds. “Away into the outer darkness, I never knew you” is what will be said to you. Turn while you can you foolish one.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UHMCOV5CXMKYXVTEU3N443GFAU Earl Nightengale

          Hey foolish moron, don’t quote what you know nothing of. Your time is coming and quickly. When you face the God of the universe for judgement, your big mouth will be sealed and not even able to utter the smallest of sounds. “Away into the outer darkness, I never knew you” is what will be said to you. Turn while you can you foolish one.

        • What’s Up?

          How would you know if Jesus weeps. You re obviously judging more than those you call judgemental. The Bible does tell us to test the spirits to see if they are from God. So that puts us in a position to have to judge that which goes on aroound us.

          What’s Up?

        • ArcherB

          Someone says they will pray for another’s soul and your response is:
          “Exactly what we’ve all come to expect from the hateful, ignorant, bigotted morons on the far right who call themselves “Christians’, but are nothing of the sort.”

          Seriously?

        • ArcherB

          Someone says they will pray for another’s soul and your response is:
          “Exactly what we’ve all come to expect from the hateful, ignorant, bigotted morons on the far right who call themselves “Christians’, but are nothing of the sort.”

          Seriously?

        • ArcherB

          Someone says they will pray for another’s soul and your response is:
          “Exactly what we’ve all come to expect from the hateful, ignorant, bigotted morons on the far right who call themselves “Christians’, but are nothing of the sort.”

          Seriously?

        • kjr007

          Now who’s judging who? Hypocrit! Jesus weeps for you.

        • Bob

          Dude, your vitriolic hatred pours out like venom. First off, Jesus’ commandment not to judge was one in regard to who could enter the Kingdom of God. It was not a command to turn a blind eye to sin. Now as Christians we are to make right judgments about what sin is. 1 Corinthians chapter 5, I believe, instructs us as Christians not to judge the outside world’s motives, but we are to judge one another within the church. Not as fruit inspectors, but as loving brothers and sisters encouraging one another to live Christ-like lives. So, to be true follower of Christ a person needs to have godly discernment that acts in love. This doesn’t always happen as an old saying goes, the devil is in the details. Jesus Christ is still the way, the truth, and the life. No one, regardless of who they are or where they are from can enter God’s Kingdom in any other way than through Him (John 14:6).

        • Bob

          Dude, your vitriolic hatred pours out like venom. First off, Jesus’ commandment not to judge was one in regard to who could enter the Kingdom of God. It was not a command to turn a blind eye to sin. Now as Christians we are to make right judgments about what sin is. 1 Corinthians chapter 5, I believe, instructs us as Christians not to judge the outside world’s motives, but we are to judge one another within the church. Not as fruit inspectors, but as loving brothers and sisters encouraging one another to live Christ-like lives. So, to be true follower of Christ a person needs to have godly discernment that acts in love. This doesn’t always happen as an old saying goes, the devil is in the details. Jesus Christ is still the way, the truth, and the life. No one, regardless of who they are or where they are from can enter God’s Kingdom in any other way than through Him (John 14:6).

        • Bob

          Dude, your vitriolic hatred pours out like venom. First off, Jesus’ commandment not to judge was one in regard to who could enter the Kingdom of God. It was not a command to turn a blind eye to sin. Now as Christians we are to make right judgments about what sin is. 1 Corinthians chapter 5, I believe, instructs us as Christians not to judge the outside world’s motives, but we are to judge one another within the church. Not as fruit inspectors, but as loving brothers and sisters encouraging one another to live Christ-like lives. So, to be true follower of Christ a person needs to have godly discernment that acts in love. This doesn’t always happen as an old saying goes, the devil is in the details. Jesus Christ is still the way, the truth, and the life. No one, regardless of who they are or where they are from can enter God’s Kingdom in any other way than through Him (John 14:6).

        • Gramps13

          Nice judgemental post there CW!

        • FollowJesus

          Jesus said “You will know them by there fruits”.. Always can tell a liberal they always want to condemn others for judging.. Guess what, you judge when you tell someone else not to judge.. I recommend the article below to my liberal Christian friends who dont want to “judge” others.
          http://www.paulcopan.com/articles/pdf/who-are-you-to-judge.pdf

        • Louise

          Jesus weeps for all the lost. The comment you criticize (Guest and James) expresses a genuine concern by a person for his friend’s soul. Your venomous response is completely inappropriate and steaming with disdain for Christians. Of course Christians fall short of the perfection of Christ but at least they know it …hence the need for a savior. Love and concern for a friend is not judging! It is a call for prayer. And recognizing that someone needs help/prayer is no more an act of judgment than your litany of negative adjectives about Christians. Perhaps a little tolerance would be more appropriate from someone who considers himself more enlightened about Christ than those who are trying to follow Him.

        • Louise

          Jesus weeps for all the lost. The comment you criticize (Guest and James) expresses a genuine concern by a person for his friend’s soul. Your venomous response is completely inappropriate and steaming with disdain for Christians. Of course Christians fall short of the perfection of Christ but at least they know it …hence the need for a savior. Love and concern for a friend is not judging! It is a call for prayer. And recognizing that someone needs help/prayer is no more an act of judgment than your litany of negative adjectives about Christians. Perhaps a little tolerance would be more appropriate from someone who considers himself more enlightened about Christ than those who are trying to follow Him.

        • dubblwide

          Why don’t YOU quit judging those who you claim judge others. Who gives you the right to condemn them and call them nasty names?

        • AWD

          Cwxj415
          Sounds like you are judging.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7RYJYZ7CO3HUDJB2TWVGBDUX2U Susan

          No one has to pray for your soul because you no longer have one. You are now a useful idiotl, devoted to your party and your party leaders! And I’m not a Christian, just a believer in good and “souls” you fool!

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7RYJYZ7CO3HUDJB2TWVGBDUX2U Susan

          No one has to pray for your soul because you no longer have one. You are now a useful idiotl, devoted to your party and your party leaders! And I’m not a Christian, just a believer in good and “souls” you fool!

        • john

          You don’t know what you’re talking about.

        • Cwxj415suxshiite

          Wow, Cwxj415 is a very angry person – probably they type of liberal who shows up at a school board meeting with a gun.

        • LW

          Cwx, you are twisting religion. No one judged this guy. It is simply an observation of a friend.
          You are a typical leftist throwing your non religious spears. Just what is YOUR walk with the Lord God?

        • Micah_mt

          “Judge not” (Cwxj415) yeah, and read the next few verses where Jesus says “cast not your pearls before swine.” Obeying that means I can’t debate this any more with the likes of you (a judgement by the way).

        • Micah_mt

          “Judge not” (Cwxj415) yeah, and read the next few verses where Jesus says “cast not your pearls before swine.” Obeying that means I can’t debate this any more with the likes of you (a judgement by the way).

        • Anonymous

          In reference to the comment about “those who CLAIM to be Christian (but don’t actually live a Christ-like life)…”:

          Remember, Cwxj415, that we are all human. We all make mistakes–even you, can you believe it!? That does not, however, mean that the truth and that righteousness is not a goal for which we (Christians) strive. We may not be perfect, but falling off the proverbial wagon (of perfection) every once in a while does not mean we don’t pick ourselves up and try to get back on that wagon. Forgiveness is also a major theme in Christianity. I would wager that you are no Christian, judging (are you insulted by that word?) by the comments you have posted thus far.

          • Qwennie630

            Bullpucky123: thank you for phrasing your reply with the wagon analogy. It just gave me an epiphany! As a recovering Alky, I had not thought to apply the wagon analogy to my search of faith. Bless you.

        • Can2

          It is called “FRUIT INSPECTION”…and one more thing for you to wrap your head around..We Christians are not perfect…just forgiven. …I know ,I know…”how cleche”

        • http://twitter.com/Grendel007 David Griffin

          So I am to take a quote used incorrectly by someone who uses the phrase “your church” to define what is and is not a Christian?
          Christians never claim to be perfect, and indeed we are far from it, but to actually think that we would listen to you act in the same way you are trying to criticize others for is the height of stupidity.
          Are you really claiming that it is OK for you to talk to people that way and act like an a$$ but a “Christian” can’t?
          Are you saying your lack of morals justifies you being a horrible person and therefore makes you a good person?
          This is the kind of thing that irritates me. For some reason Christians and/or people on the right have allowed blithering idiots like you to set the rules of debate.
          You are a hypocritical moron, and as a Christian I have no qualms about pointing it out.

        • Mjcnoel

          Didn’t sound very judgmental to me. It sounded more like concern. But I’m probably just ignorant and bigoted. You on the other hand sound just like one of the people being described. We all weep for you.

        • Mjcnoel

          Didn’t sound very judgmental to me. It sounded more like concern. But I’m probably just ignorant and bigoted. You on the other hand sound just like one of the people being described. We all weep for you.

        • chuckv

          Thats what everyone says.” Judge not”. So a Christian cant comment when someone is doing something wrong? What a tool.

        • mark

          You are no better.

        • mark

          You are no better.

        • Greg

          How is what James said bigotted, hateful, or ignorant? He expressed sympathy for a former friend who has changed from a cheerful, fun-to-be-around guy into a cynical man who blames everything bad in the world on one man. How is that any of what you claim it to be? Do you know the man he described? I am saddened that every time there is any disagreement some people in this world feel they must attack, name-call, and inflate everything into the most horrible act known to mankind. Some might question your credentials to judge Christ-like behavior, but I will not. I don’t know you or the particulars of your life. Do you know the particulars of James or his former friends lives?

        • Greg

          How is what James said bigotted, hateful, or ignorant? He expressed sympathy for a former friend who has changed from a cheerful, fun-to-be-around guy into a cynical man who blames everything bad in the world on one man. How is that any of what you claim it to be? Do you know the man he described? I am saddened that every time there is any disagreement some people in this world feel they must attack, name-call, and inflate everything into the most horrible act known to mankind. Some might question your credentials to judge Christ-like behavior, but I will not. I don’t know you or the particulars of your life. Do you know the particulars of James or his former friends lives?

        • Greg

          How is what James said bigotted, hateful, or ignorant? He expressed sympathy for a former friend who has changed from a cheerful, fun-to-be-around guy into a cynical man who blames everything bad in the world on one man. How is that any of what you claim it to be? Do you know the man he described? I am saddened that every time there is any disagreement some people in this world feel they must attack, name-call, and inflate everything into the most horrible act known to mankind. Some might question your credentials to judge Christ-like behavior, but I will not. I don’t know you or the particulars of your life. Do you know the particulars of James or his former friends lives?

        • Txrebel

          Most people misunderstand what Jesus was saying in the quote, even Christians. I have heard them say you should not judge. But, Christ also said “Do not cast your pearls before the swine.” And he also said if the people of a village will not listen to the Good News, shake the dust of the village from your feet and leave. They will be cursed. Now you cannot do these things unless you judge people. What Jesus was telling them was, if you Judge someone, be prepared to be judged by the same standard.

        • okieflyover

          Is it hard to be this bitter? I see it in alot of “enlightened” Liberals that want to state that they are more compassionate or understanding but so quick to attack. Not discuss. Not engage, just attack. When I see comments I think of Keith Olbermann. You probably would take that as a complement but besides the Democratic candidate of his choice, what else does Olbermann add value to or give of himself in.

          I have yet to see a survey that shows Democrats give of their time and money more than conservatives With the state of the Democratic “hate” party today, I don’t think that is going to change in this generation.

        • NOTW

          One does not have to be too concerned about ‘the state of his/her own soul’ if he/she is truly saved. Our great commission is to reach out to the lost and bring them to Jesus.

        • LambBasted

          Have you ever noticed how the intolerant Left uses the hated Bible as authority for why Christians are no good? For the Left, every thought starts with perversion.

        • cleansed

          Let me get this straight. You can judge him but he can’t judge? Sounds like typical liberal, God-hating hypocrisy. And you know what? The same bible you quote also condemns homosexuality. Ya gotta eat the whole meal, not just the peas.

        • Larolyn

          “Judge not lest ye be judged” is not the entire quote. Our God went on to say If you do so judge, be prepared to be judged by the same measure. Jesus did not just say “don’t judge” We are supposed to discern, which is to judge. So please don’t quote scripture out of context and so judge the Christian Brothers to be “hateful, ignorant, bigotted morons on the far right who call themselves “Christians’, but are nothing of the sort.”

        • Larolyn

          “Judge not lest ye be judged” is not the entire quote. Our God went on to say If you do so judge, be prepared to be judged by the same measure. Jesus did not just say “don’t judge” We are supposed to discern, which is to judge. So please don’t quote scripture out of context and so judge the Christian Brothers to be “hateful, ignorant, bigotted morons on the far right who call themselves “Christians’, but are nothing of the sort.”

        • Bridgerhalland

          he ‘grieves for the state of his friends soul’, so that makes him a “hateful, ignorant, bigotted moron’??? Hmmmm….. that’s some weird thought process !

        • Wmr456

          The Bible says “judge not lest ye be judged , IN LIKE MANNER”, it also says to judge a righteous judgment, all this goes along with reaping what ye sow, indue season according to the measure by which ye mete.
          Remember to rightly divide the word.

        • Believer

          Jesus said “Repent and Sin no more”

          He also called for his people to repent of their evil ways, so that their land could be healed.

          You can misquote Jesus and He will truly Weep for your Soul.

          I challenge you to read the whole bible. Read one of those “One year Bibles” they have a daily reading so that you can keep on track. I ask the Holy Spirit to teach you the Word.

        • Believer

          Jesus said “Repent and Sin no more”

          He also called for his people to repent of their evil ways, so that their land could be healed.

          You can misquote Jesus and He will truly Weep for your Soul.

          I challenge you to read the whole bible. Read one of those “One year Bibles” they have a daily reading so that you can keep on track. I ask the Holy Spirit to teach you the Word.

        • http://www.beinginhim.net Everett

          You grossly misunderstand “Judge not lest you be judged”. What Christ was talking about was we are not to presume to be the judges of others motives; we are required to be judges of people’s ungodly actions. This licentious generation has reversed that, we are now judging peoples thoughts (i.e. hate crimes) while refusing to judge every manner of wicked behavior. Christ also said, “Do not be fooled, what ever a man sows, that will he also reap, he who sows good seed will reap a good reward, and he who sows evil will reap evil”.

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6ORIWQWWKT5E3443QJPWSCUWIU Joel

          you are an idiot-that is what the bible calls you in 1 Peter – willfully ignorant – stupid on purpose. Only an illiterate would take Matthew 7:1,2 as a restriction about judging. It is not . Jesus himself said – judge righteous judgment and by their fruits ye shall know them. This is what I know from your self righteous tirade: the only part of the Bible that you know it that about judging because you are a wicked, wicked person..

        • Russ

          When someone makes a significant change in thier life, as was described, it is quite normal for concerned friends to wonder why and discuss the happening. Passing judgement probably isn’t the appropriate word in a case like this. After all the criticisim was about judging a soul, a religious matter, not the other persons abrupt change in behavior. Then again, the democrat party is full of people who believe and act in the manner as described of the friend. That is not a judgement, just an observation of mine.

        • Merry Christmas

          “Exactly what we’ve all come to expect from the hateful, ignorant, bigotted morons on the far right”

          I think that former friend just showed up. Merry Christmas!

        • Raddical Rabi

          I love it when liberals who don’t believe the Bible take a part of Scripture out of context and try to wrap their warped beliefs around it. It shows how truly ignorant they are about what the Messiah was actually saying and proves that they are either not a true follower of Messiah, or actually do not believe in God at all. Since I am not “Christ like” I do not call myself a Christian; I am a born again Jewish believer in Messiah. I do my best to do as HE commands, but I do make mistake and confess them unlike liberals that neither believe in the Word of God, or do not believe they are capable of being in sin. “All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.”

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5RKQ5URK7CDZDSD5546COO7CFY Squiggy

          NO ONE lives a “Christ-like” life. But we’re trying. And we’re forgiven. Deal with it.

        • LibsAreCommunists

          Cwxj415 – Does your comment prove any less hypocritical than those you have judged? Typical Liberal, you cant see your hand in front of your face, but “sit on the moral high ground” because you BELIEVE you own some sort of intellectual superiority that enlightens you on what is best for mankind. So you and your Liberal leaders(The minority in this country I might add) buy votes by districting the electorate to your advantage and provide handouts as incentives to buy votes and perpetuate a miserable life for the vast majority of your voting base. Basically what I am stating is that the majority of voters who support your ideals are tricked into it by a lack of education and redistribution of wealth. The others who think they are educated such as yourself, lack any common sense whatsoever and strive daily to support the removal of Liberties that made America. Because you are to ignorant “to see your hand in front of your face”. Thats not me judging you, thats years of observing people like you.

        • Jmiller

          Judgement is done every secound in everybodys life and if you take a hard look at your statement it shows rather loudly. Its saying you are going to eternal judement that is wrong. What you have here is if you keep on sinning and the WORD of GOD will tell what sin is and or THE HOLY SPIRIT will hopefully convict you of your true standing before GOD, so it is the sin that shows where you are heading. You will know them by there fruit and by that you have to know what fruit is good and what is bad and that takes judgement but not for being THE JUDGE and that is JESUS CHRISTS alone!!!.

        • Dhall322004

          As Christians, we are not suppose to judge people whereas are judgments will condemn the person. It is impossible not to share to Word of God with people, and not have an opinion about people.
          When non-believers, like CWXJ415 misuses the Bible to shut Christians up from having an opinion. I copy and paste this… http://www.jesus.org/life-of-jesus/teaching-and-messages/don-t-judge.html

          Do you know what the nonbeliever’s favorite verse is? It is Matthew 7:1: “Do not judge others, and you will not be judged.” This verse is usually quoted after we say something like, “Well you know what? I don’t think that is right.”

          This verse, however, is not telling us that we should not make judgments, because in other passages we read that as believers, we are indeed to make evaluations, to be discerning, and yes – to even make judgments. In fact, the Bible asks, “Don’t you realize that someday we believers will judge the world? And since you are going to judge the world, can’t you decide even these little things among yourselves?” (1 Corinthians 6:2). We are also told in Scripturethat “judgment must begin with God’s household” (1 Peter 4:17).

          We are to judge, but we are not to condemn. In fact, a better translation ofMatthew 7:1 would be: “Do not condemn others, and you will not be condemned.” I am in no position to condemn a person. But I am in a position to make judgments about things, situations, viewpoints, and even about people to some degree.

          “Don’t judge!” is said by people who don’t like it when we dare to have a Christian worldview. In fact, I have found that the most narrow-minded people are those who claim to be the most broad-minded. Those who claim to be the most accepting are often the least accepting. Because when a Christian has an opinion, a nonbeliever will say, “How dare you say that! Who are you to judge?”

          There is a living God, and He has revealed himself in the pages of Scripture. Therefore, as believers, we accept the fact that we have absolute truth from God. And we develop our worldview from what the Bible teaches.

          Taken from “The Nonbeliever’s Favorite Verse” by Harvest Ministries (used by permission).

        • Heath

          You quoted “Jude not lest ye be judged”. I dont believe you have the correct understanding of that passage. That scripture (when read holistically) clearly teaches that you better live a life worthy of examination and judgement if you are going to judge others.

          It clearly does not say to not judge, only to life a life worthy of judgement in return which makes sence.

        • UyeahU

          You are in good company, for anyone can misquote scripture. Case in point:

          “The the devil took him (Jesus) to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

          “He will command his angels concerning you,
          and they will lift you up in their hands,
          so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’ ” (Psalm 91: 11,12)

          Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’ ” (Deut 6:16) Matthew 4: 5-7

        • MadAsHell

          Who’s being judgmental? Go to hell a$$hole.

        • SstC

          In your rant about hateful, ignorant, bigotted morons, didn’t you just demonstrate the fact that you’re a hateful, ignorant bigotted moron?

          Let’s be honest — of COURSE the church is full of hypocrites and broken, messed up people. But despising them for that fact is like being offended that hospitals are full of sick people. That’s what hospitals (and churches) are there for…sick people. Fact is, Jesus spent a heck of a lot of time with sick people. That’s why we love him.

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/THR5NRUQ7BXSQCAVLCBNOGW4DE Richard

          The Godless, once again reduced to name calling.

        • Twobanjonuts

          CWXJ415 by refusing to take the words in the Bible in Context, In Meaning, and apply them to your argument is as old as Eden. Evil ALWAYS puts in a little truth to the lie to make the argument SOUND good. Matthew 7 is directed at the sinner. Jesus is bringing the believer to repentance…..”Do not judge, or you will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured you.” Sounds like Charles Dickens ‘A Christmas Carol’ to me!

          ….and Jesus leaves this final message as a warning to Believers :

          “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.”

          Why do you think Jesus would link Judging (giving GRACE and Forgiveness to) others and throwing pearls before swine in the same paragraph and the same line of thought?

        • Jim Harrison

          The passage you quoted is one of the most misunderstood passages (most often taken out of context by unbelievers). This is not an admonition not to judge. It is an admonition to put yourself under the same scrutiny as those you judge. If you are guilty, then repent and move on. To do otherwise is hypocrisy. “Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye” Matthew 7:5).

          Your application would forbid every judge on every bench to convict anybody of anything. That is not the way it works. God calls for civil justice as well as justice in the church and in the family.

        • Anonymous

          Jesus also said, “By their fruits ye shall know them.” Calling things like they are is not hateful, ignorant or bigoted.

          If you observe someone doing something self-destructive isn’t it hateful not to warn them?

        • Jrbjrstonewall77

          Remember Jesus Call the Pharasees, and Sadducees Vipers and you took Judge not least you be judged out of its context so maybe you should read your Bible a little more and not missinterpret Jesus words. Christains are not door mats we must take back the reigns of influence but that dosn’t mean to comprimise with Gods word.
          Johnny Bee

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5EZM2CDHH7FBGNSJAD7U3LZVGI M.

          It’s laughable that you quote “judge not lest ye be judged,” yet you go on to excoriate “hateful, ignorant, bigotted morons on the far right.”

          It may be beyond your pathetically limited intellect to grasp, but you just accused others of exactly what you did yourself.

          You also might want to learn how to spell.

        • Bharri5053

          In your vain attempt to use a quote from the bible, it appears you have just been condemned by that very quote. Judging Christians as not living Christ-like. Then you go on to call them hateful,, ignorant, bigoted morons,who are not Christians. In so doing have you not set yourself as their judge. No Christian is perfect, but God is. Therefore if that Christian though he be imperfect declares what God says, then ultimately it is God that you are judging, not the Christian.

      • The Harder They Come…

        I’ve had similar experiences with a number of former friends and aquaintances from the liberal Northeast. They used to be enjoyable company, now they’re doing little more than radiating a burning hatred for everything other than themselves. From regular folks to radicals, bigots and Socilalists/Communists.

    • Kimoajax

      The sad truth for almost all Democrats I have known is that their life simply does not work for them unless they have someone (other than themselves) to blame for all their shortcomings.

    • Kimoajax

      The sad truth for almost all Democrats I have known is that their life simply does not work for them unless they have someone (other than themselves) to blame for all their shortcomings.

    • Ghhugh

      I reckon your right. Have you ever been wrong?

    • Michaelskristen

      I know exactly what you mean James. democrats/leftists are such unfunny, hateful people, I just don’t like to be around them many times. Especially whenever politics or religion come up. Go back to the Gingrich revolution. I joked with a friend who was moving from MA to GA that he could vote for Newt. Just a joke mind you. My Lord, you never heard such hateful, vile language. I think it started with the dukakas loss. democrats fooled them selves into thinking that the Great Ronald Reagan was only popular b/c he reminded people of their kindly grandfather. When H.W. Bush basically won Reagan’s third turn, democrats started going crazy. When W beat goron, they went apoplectic.

    • Anonymous

      What the guy really hates is himself. He probably hasn’t accomplished much and blames it on everyone else.

    • Anonymous

      What the guy really hates is himself. He probably hasn’t accomplished much and blames it on everyone else.

    • Anonymous

      What the guy really hates is himself. He probably hasn’t accomplished much and blames it on everyone else.

    • LW

      There is just something evil about the liberal mind. Poor guy-he surrounded himself with hateful people and became one himself. Hopefully he will find his way back.

    • LW

      There is just something evil about the liberal mind. Poor guy-he surrounded himself with hateful people and became one himself. Hopefully he will find his way back.

    • Nrthbch414

      Goof bal… get a life and stop making up stoies that most of us consider lies…

    • Nrthbch414

      Goof bal… get a life and stop making up stoies that most of us consider lies…

    • LambBasted

      I am convinced that many aspects of the anti-christian Left are demonic in nature.

    • LambBasted

      I am convinced that many aspects of the anti-christian Left are demonic in nature.

    • LambBasted

      I am convinced that many aspects of the anti-christian Left are demonic in nature.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve lost a 42 year relationship with my best friend since freshman year in HS over the same issues. It’s really sad to have happen to you, but even more depressing to watch this person spiral into a total state of disillusionment.

      He as well blames everything on Bush and argues using blogs and not any real news service.

    • Jrbjrstonewall77

      James I know what you mean they aren’t happy until everyone is missrable they attack Christianity because they hate what it stands for true Freedom ad a measure of peace even during the storms of life. You pegged the liber/leftist hittingthe nail right on the head.
      May God Bless you Brother in Christ.

  • Michael

    Red David Bates gets it and the Leaders of the Dem party don’t.

    What else can you say? You will know them by their fruits.

  • Rlshulze

    Democrats = Christianophobes

  • Anonymous

    any speech democrats/socialists/liberals/progressives disagree with is labeled “hate speech.”

    these people don’t believe in “free speech” they believe in “correct speech.”

  • Big Tony

    I am at a loss for words to describe Democrats. No God, No morals, just lies and deceit. Why would any one want to be affiliated with this type of ideology. What incredible shame they have brought upon themselves.

    • LambBasted

      The WWII generation Democrats who rightly loved FDR as Commander-In-Chief are becoming more rare at the polls. I think we saw this factor in addition to the Tea Party surge last November. In any case, there will be far fewer decent people voting for Democrats from now on since the “Great Ones” are all leaving us.

      • LambBasted

        Follow-up: The people that fought and won WWII are entitled to nothing but admiration. They are the last generation with an excuse for not knowing or believing what the Democratic Party has become – a den of theives and perverts.

  • Gary0033

    Wow. Listen to the video. “The Republican party is NOT our savior.” He then, in a very balanced fashion details America’s drift from God. To attack this guy is to attack the only real answer we have. It was also interesting that in the quotes in this article, God’s name is lower caps. Further evidence that “we no longer fear God”?

  • Mjtaquill

    Personally, I’d recommend you capitalize the name “God”.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JNG6M4QEAGFG7RDGBCL3HT2MVQ BillyBob117

      Amen to that!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/555HP3NPFJ2E7MRU4CZUN7GSEU James H

    People have as much right to denigrate your religious beliefs as you have to promote them. Don’t want to deal with people disagreeing with your heartfelt beliefs? Then keep them private or limit them to the proper environment – like your church. If you are a public servant and you are making speeches that propose worshiping your concept of god as a point of national policy and a solution to government problems, then you are fair game for criticism. Quit being a crybaby because others disagree with your superstition.

    • Guest

      I bet you don’t feel that way about mohammad, no?

    • Tom W

      James H – you COMPLETELY miss the point and the details, so basically, you caught nothing. The state rep. WAS speaking in a church. The POINT is, Dems make LOTS of noise about being tolerant of other’s beliefs, yet is intolerant of this man’s stated beliefs. He, himself, has said nothing publicly about this. YOUR superstition is the problem, I think, with your post. You think you’re in control.

    • Chipfrye12251959

      James, Go F%$K YOURSELF! I CAN TELL JUST BY YOUR STATEMENT YOU ARE A LIBATARD! SEEK HELP,ITS A MENTAL DISORDER!

      • ConservativeBen

        Dude, that doesn’t help anything. Yes, James is wrong. But all caps and swearing just show you to be unhinged and not to be taken seriously.

    • Joe

      Where, exactly, do you think he is speaking? Is he not in a church? The simple fact that he is a ‘public servant’ does not prevent him from speaking truth, anytime, any place. It seems, my friend and fellow sinner, that your comments reveal that you have become that which you despise. But, I could be wrong. Am I?

    • renacimiento

      Don’t suppose you’d like to repeat that to any other religion’s followers? …… thought so.
      I am within my rights to say that you, sir, are an ignorant bigot. Free speech and freedom to worship mean that you cannot lock away opinions of which you don’t approve. Else you would have to keep your opinions ‘private’ anytime people who disagree with you are in power. Digest that slowly and consider the difference between inalienable rights and your policy of censorship.

    • onlyONEway

      JAMES H needs our prayers ! It’s obvious he’s a LOST soul.

      • Walldog

        Agreed.

    • Pr0phet

      The guy IS speaking at a church and sharing his beliefs about what he perceives as some of the ails of our nation.

      The problem I think most people have here is the apparent disparity of the liberal/democrat party when it comes to insulting religions.

      While the LibDem’s wholeheartedly embrace Islam, to the point that we actually consider sharia law when deciding court cases in our own country (see the case in New Jersey where a husband got away w/ beating his wife because sharia law permits it), this man is ridiculed for having faith in the God of our forefathers, whose influence is evidenced in nearly every law written as well as the DOI.

    • Ron

      I will do the liberal thing and say fuck you asshole!! You can deny God all you want, God does not send people to hell, he lets them go there. It is your choice.

      • Lindleymd

        Not helpful, Ron. Tell thetruth in love.

      • Lindleymd

        Not helpful, Ron. Tell thetruth in love.

      • Lindleymd

        Not helpful, Ron. Tell thetruth in love.

    • Marcanewman1

      James, I’m sure you simply made an honest mistake in neglecting to see that these comments WERE spoken in the proper enviroment, like a church. Other than that I’ll repeat: Our great Constitution equally provides both of these men the freedom to speak from their heart. Only wisdom allows the listener to discern which speaker is more intelligent.

    • Geo_wash1776

      REPENT James. There’s a good chapter in the Bible with your namesake. READ IT.

    • Band of the White Rose

      You would be identified as a Tory or Loyalist to the Crown by 1774. You would have been advised to return to King George the Tyrant’s fiefdom. Those you call superstitious are the kinds of people who picked up their muskets and fought tyranny so you could call them superstitious without being thrown in jail. You own your ignorance, but it is no excuse for fascism.

    • eveready

      the BIBLE flat out states that you are a fool…non-belief is the superstition

    • Walldog

      I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist.

  • pilgrim45

    If they hold elections in hades, the Democrats will win every time.

    • Dub

      Satan is the chief democrat

    • LambBasted

      I know, look at Floyd County, Kentucky.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JNG6M4QEAGFG7RDGBCL3HT2MVQ BillyBob117

    Why is Islam the only religion supported by the dems/libs?

    • C Rozycki

      one of the best questions I’ve seen all year!

    • Geo_wash1776

      Because they both have the same totalitarian goals. The question is, which group is playin’ which, and who thinks they’re going to win the chess match?

    • Cwxj415

      This is something only a brain-dead rightie liar could possibly say!

      Just for your information, “The Democrats” and “The Liberals” are groups constituting MANY PEOPLE with MANY DIFFERENT BELIEFS. You attempt to lable all liberals with the same brush might be effective in winning elections and making people angry (which is, after all, what righties are best at), but it is disgusting and unamerican. you should be ashamed of yourself.

      Personally, I think Islam is even stupider than Christianity is. And I’m a liberal! That is the problem with generalizations like your ignoranot one above. I suggest you open your eyes, close that spewing pie-hole of yours, and learn what it means to be a REAL American.

      • BB37

        “Personally, I think Islam is even stupider than Christianity is. And I’m a liberal! That is the problem with generalizations like your ignoranot one above. I suggest you open your eyes, close that spewing pie-hole of yours, and learn what it means to be a REAL American.”

        Thank you for this shining example of liberal “tolerance”

      • Asd

        You are the most tone deaf douche I have ever witnessed. For humanities sake I hope you are just flaming on this thread and are not actually spewing things you believe. Maybe the impending celebration of Christmas is too much for you? Go sit in your closet, read Mao, and ignore the good will towards men and I am sure you will feel better.

      • LINDLEYMD

        Yet you label all conservatives with the same brush!

  • Jwwarden

    This was no “religious tirade” at all but a measured teaching from beginning to end of the Word of God found written in the Bible. Such teachings are very threatening to those who want to lead their lives, and our country, to please themselves without regard to biblical teachings. They prefer to say, and maybe believe, that there is no God. God can be ignored but, ultimately, not denied.

    • tibet

      Doesn’t it say something about the times we live in when Christians are rebuked for obedience to the word of God when it is practised in a church?

    • tibet

      Doesn’t it say something about the times we live in when Christians are rebuked for obedience to the word of God when it is practised in a church?

    • Lindleymd

      Good response!

  • onlyONEway

    Democrats = Demoncrats

    • sickofdems

      Democrats = DEMONcRATS

      • Hans

        DUMBOCRAPS

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/OMO2R6YYHHJ2I3STNWM3A5VA4Q Jason

    And the dems wonder why they are more hated than ever before and people are running away from them and their lunatic ideals. 69% of America’s identify themselves as conservative in their views…and 85% of Americans identify themselves as Christian….dems are out of touch, hateful, unbalanced, and unwanted.

    • Pcrhein

      Yet, if the polls are to be believed, half or even over half of American voters would vote to re-elect this communitst usurper, this anti-Christian Chicago street goon, this satan, who is presently defiling our White House. Plus, again according to these same polls, Governor Sarah Palin, a staunch conservative, an able and accom;ished governor of the largest state of the Union that supplies 20% of our energy and has the potential to supply far, far more, a true Christian and an exemplary mother, to boot, has “high negatives”. Negatives? Why? Because she is a Christian? Because she has a young son who is an army veteran, and libs hate the U.S. military? Because she favors drilling for American oil in Ameriucan land and coastal waters?
      Because she is supported by common folk? Because she does not kow tow to the East Coast RINO snobs, the GOP establishment and the medias hacks that work for it? Because she is a woman? – And a beautiful one at that – given that most, of not all, democratic, leftist woman are so incredibly mean, bitter, hatful and hatefilled, and ugly? Which in sum, is why the so-called “mainstream media” – the devils agents in this country, hate her.

      • hoovdog23

        Don’t believe the polls on the Marxist in the White House…it’s propaganda, nothing more. Take away hope, you enslave a people.

  • Rick

    Interesting to see how men in power have to attack Christians. They need to repent and be baptized and realize that Jesus Christ is the son of God and is our Lord and Savior.

    • Cwxj415

      Rick says: “They need to repent and be baptized and realize that Jesus Christ is the son of God and is our Lord and Savior.”

      That’s right! Even the non-Christians. ESPECIALLY the non-Christians! What is truly wrong with this country is that there are so many people who don’t believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior!

      You idiots sicken me. Don’t you know what “religious liberty” means? YOU think it means that Christians cannot be criticized and non-Christians should never be trusted. But there are plenty of REAL Americans out here who refuse to accept your Nazi bullsh*t.

      • James

        “Freedom of religion’ means that people (including Christians) can hold whatever religious beliefs they’d like. That includes the belief that faith in Jesus is the key to the salvation of our society. That includes the belief that those who don’t accept Jesus are damned souls. You can call people ‘idiots’ all you’d like, but that just proves that YOU are the religious bigot, not them.

        If you don’t like it, take it up with the Founding Fathers.

        • Jlcrable

          Its the jews that are starting all this the jews are hell bent on destroying everything and everyone that do not agree with the jews………….Life would be so much better if the jews were not in it!

          • Jonskatharine712

            I sincerely hope that this is merely some sort of joke in extraordinarily bad taste. If not, though, then God have mercy on your soul.

      • tibet

        In case you didn’t realize it, the Representative was calling on Christians to humble themselves and repent. Had nothing to do with you . I’m sorry if you felt left out, but this call has nothing to do with unbelievers. Our God doesn’t demand that we force you or anyone else to conform to our faith, unlike other religions.

    • Cwxj415

      You complain about “men in power hav[ing] to attack Christians”. And yet, this article describes an example of a “man in power” (that is, a Representative) attacking NON-BELIEVERS! And you apparently have no problem with that! So much so that when one of those non-believers responds by saying how offensive Bates’ words were, you all respond by accusing HIM (the victim) of being the attacker.

      I am so sick of dishonest rightie FauxChristians!!

      • Johnsonjack67

        Angry little guy aren’t you. Since I can scroll down and see your replies litter this page everywhere. Hate and all your other blather never prove anything but hate.

      • tibet

        I listened to the speech. Unbelievers aren’t mentioned or refered too. In scripture, we are told when a nation does certain things, our God will abandon that nation, and gives a list of what happens next. We are about at the end of the list. We are given the remedy. It does not include the lost, unsaved, we are not instructed to force anyone to take up our faith, or live by our moral standards, no. The remedy is for those who the Lord calls his own are to repent, confess our sins, and humble ourselves before him. This does not include anyone not written in the book of life. None of this is addressed to unbelievers, we are not to use the power of the state to affect this change, no, we are to use the power of our God. That is what he was calling for. I’m curious, is that what really upsets you ? Do you feel this anger at the idea of a group of people telling their God they’ve sinned, they’re sorry, please forgive them, remove the curse and heal the land? If so, where do you think that anger comes from?

      • Dub

        Im praying for you too!

  • Cleanplanet

    I believe that God is always spelled with a capital G as is fitting. Please correct your quote. Merry Christmas!!

    • Cwxj415

      “as is fitting” . . . FOR YOU! Like most arrogant ego-centric Christians, you confuse what YOU personally believe with how you believe EVERYBODY should behave.

      Perhaps spelling “God” with a capital “G” is fitting for YOU, but for a non-believer, it is NOT fitting!

      Please correct your attitude, you bigot.

      • Big Tony

        May God forgive you.

      • Jeff the Man

        Who’s the bigot. Cleanplanet didn’t insult an entire group of people by classifying them by “arrogant” and “ego-centric.” Wouldn’t a broad generalization like that be considered bigotry?

        Also, Cleanplanet is correct. If that was a speech written by Rep. Bates, then he would have capitalized the “G” because he is a believer. Therefore, the reporter should have capitalized it, as well.

      • English Teacher

        In this case, God is a name (proper noun) and SHOULD be capitalized, regardless of your belief ( or lack of, in your case).
        The fact that you are trying to dispute constants within English Grammer only belittle your cause (and make you look funny…). : ^ )

        • Perspective

          ok..then write allah with a little a whenever you write it, and be sure to send hateful diatribes against anyone who wants a capital A instead.

          • Perspective

            oops..sorry, I agree with you, Teacher, and meant to write to the furious atheist YOU were answering..

          • Cwxj415

            I’ve never met an atheist who demands that the “A” be capitalized. But Christians (at least, the arrogant self-righteous ones) demand that everybody, even non-believers capitalize the “G” in God. Well, forgive me for refusing to bow to your fascist demand for uniformity.

          • Dub

            I will pray for you

          • Cleanplanet

            I would definitely write Allah with a capital A because that is what those of the Muslim faith call God.

      • Steve Sady

        I’m sensing some hostility.
        “Atheists express their rage against God although in their view He does not exist.” –C. S. Lewis

        • Rof7

          That’s awesome Steve Sady!!! So true . .

        • Cwxj415

          That is a misrepresentation of what atheists believe. Atheists do NOT ‘rage against God’. They rage against ignorant human beings.

          Nice try, though.

          • glad2bealive

            CWXJ415 you need to step back from the keyboard you are one sad puppy…

          • Just_Fix_It

            Okay, I’ve been trying to follow this. Now are you saying that anyone who believes in God is an ignorant human being? It is not an attack, but a simple question, from an obviously simple mind since I happen to believe in God. Doesn’t really mater which God. I choose to believe that I am not a simple ‘cosmic accident’ and that this universe that we all live in is by design, not random.
            I don’t judge you, nor your beliefs. Frankly, I do not care what they are, they are yours. I don’t bash Christians or Christianity. It’s doctrine is pretty much the same as all other religious doctrines: go forth and spread the word (i.e. convert or introduce the religion to others). The problem to me is simple (again that word); My beliefs are mine. They are not yours. While the doctrine of my faith may be to spread it to others, the non-believers still have to make the decision themselves to believe or not. It cannot be forced, just as it cannot be forced to NOT believe.
            Our country was not founded on Christianity. The founding fathers were predominately Christian, but they saw the need to NOT have the government force a particular belief system on anyone. Hence, the whole ‘separation of church and state’. I don’t believe (again, this is MY belief) that the founding fathers intended for us to REMOVE our individual faiths from our lives while performing work for the government, but that the government could not force a religion upon us. I don’t see it as an ‘endorsement’ of religion to have a Christian Christmas display on federal, state, or local property, as long as it is evenly available to all religions or non-religions. If you don’t like it, there is a solution just as simple out there. Don’t acknowledge it. Ignore it. The more attention you bring to it, the more nutcases will defend it. It’s similar to the Edsel. It was an ugly car. It was a total failure. THAT being said, that beast is now a collector’s item. There is some ‘nutcase’, even I suspect on this forum, who is a staunch defender of the beloved Edsel. It will bring him/her out, along with other like-minded ‘nutcases’, to bash me for DARE saying anything contrary their ‘baby’. All I have seen in the past 3+ hours of posts here is the intolerance by both sides..

            I saw this quote the other day somewhere so I cannot properly cite it: “Left wing, Right wing… they’re both part of the same corrupt bird.” Seems quite fitting. Instead of bickering among ourselves, why can’t the energy be focused on our nation, instead of which party is running it?

          • Lindleymd

            While I agree with much of what you said, I have to take issue with your characterization of one who defends their beliefs from attack as being a “nutcase”.

          • Just_Fix_It

            Do you own an Edsel?

          • Just_Fix_It

            Do you own an Edsel?

          • Just_Fix_It

            Just kidding. The term nutcase is for anyone who takes to the defense of anything past the point of extremes and reason and whose only retort is “Because”.

            My father once told me “…you have lost an argument when you stop attacking the issue at hand and start attacking the person.” It seems that Cwxj.. lost his argument when he typed his first retort.

          • Just_Fix_It

            Just kidding. The term nutcase is for anyone who takes to the defense of anything past the point of extremes and reason and whose only retort is “Because”.

            My father once told me “…you have lost an argument when you stop attacking the issue at hand and start attacking the person.” It seems that Cwxj.. lost his argument when he typed his first retort.

          • Lindleymd

            While I agree with much of what you said, I have to take issue with your characterization of one who defends their beliefs from attack as being a “nutcase”.

          • Caffeine402

            The Lord states there is no such thing as an atheist- only blind Romans 1:18-23
            “their foolish hearts have been darkened”

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QATU3BUREDZQLNEBWLWBMBOT2U W.T.

        In the context of how “God” was used, it would be proper to have it capitalized as it was used as a proper name. Example: We can say that Christians are supposed to follow what their god wants them to do, or we can say that Christians are supposed to follow what God wants them to do. Just because Christians call their god God, doesn’t mean they aren’t bound by the same rules as Muslims calling their god Allah or the ancient Romans calling their god Jupiter or Apollo.

        Please correct your grammar, you ignorant fool.

      • Kfwarren

        It will be interesting to see what CWXJ415 believes on his/her death bed..

      • Jonskatharine712

        Um, bigotry is calling an entire group of people arrogant and ego-centric. As far as the capitalization goes, it’s correct to capitalize “God” in this instance, just as it is correct to capitalize “Allah” or “Krishna.” They are names. If the speaker was merely speaking of gods in a general sense, the lower-case letter would be correct.

        In other words, get off your roller-coaster of hate! You look like an idiot getting all worked up when you don’t know what you’re even talking about.

      • Caffeine402

        look in the mirror- your comments here are nothing but bigoted and hateful- your heart needs a redirection

  • Avalonmists

    “Bible belt social agenda” after video surfaced of Bates saying “the only hope for America” is to “turn from our wicked ways and ask god to heal our land”

    Mr Patrick Hynes and the editor of the NH Journal need to return to basic schooling on capitalization.

    “God” is a name. “god” refers to all others who claim to be God.

    • Cornelius Talmadge

      I picked up on the chosen method of capitalization too. Since God was referred to in the lower case twice, it was probably on purpose. I hope it was just a typo.

  • Erhardtharris

    Democrats = Christophobes.

  • Jazzman2go

    I guess it is in vogue to be a muslim or supporter. Blow up Americans for the good of Alllah. Pray toward Mecca everyday. We let them drive our taxi cabs, run our 7&11′s and let them call for jihad and preach terrorism.We encourage them to build a mosque near the greatest act of terrorism on these shores. I have yet to hear an outcry from muslim leaders decrying 9/11. The silence is deafening. The Christian religion is being spit on. We can’t say Merry Christmas, it has to be happy holidays. We can’t put up displays like mangersor wreathes on local or state property. Schools will not allow any show of Xmas or Hunakuh celebration. The annointed one, no matter how much he denies it, is a muslim at heart and continues to disrespect Israel. Freedom of religion is a mainstay in America or it supposed to be. Yet these liberals still find ways to diss us. Freedom of speech also seems in jepordy as Rep Kirstien is appalled at someone who believes and professes to be a Christian, but you aren’t allowed to express it. We showed you in November, you work for us, we can hire and fire you as we see fit. I hope you Rep Kirstein will too be washed out with the rest of dirty laundry water pretending to do the peoples will.

  • C Rozycki

    Dear Patrick Hines… when you wrote your article, you failed to put a capital “G” in front of God.

    • C Rozycki

      Sorry.. it’s Patrick Hynes

  • Anonymous

    Liberal democrats are the most intolerant people in existence, in direct opposition to what THEY say. Nothing but a bunch of intolerant bigots and haters cloaked under socialist principles.

    • Me

      …which is exactly why I became a republican. I really started listening to what democrats said and how they behaved. I could not believe how intolerant and closed-minded far too many democrats are. Certainly not the party of FDR and JFK anymore. I just refused to further associate myself with such hate-filled people. Felt more at home that welcomed all points of view, and would certainly participate in lively debates, but for the most part do not reduce their arguments to name calling and insults. Of course, if logic doesn’t figure into your argument, it’s hard to not go into the gutter.

      • LambBasted

        Me too. Well before the age of Limbaugh, I got to law school and started listening to my ConLaw prof whine about how the Reagan appointees were endangering all these things she thought were so great: abortion, ridiculous criminal rights, etc. My ConLaw prof influenced me, but not in the way she hoped. I was born and raised a Eastern Kentucky Democrat and never questioned the class warfare I had been taught to cherish. When I went to law school, I discovered that being liberal and christian are impossible. That was when I began to think about all that I thought I knew and when I woke up from the spell. I believe most decent people who are also Democrats are so out of ignorance, believing that the spirits of FDR and JFK are still in charge. Those Democrats who knowingly are of the far left are wicked people duping the others. It is a hideous situation resulting in continuing misery for the common folk, like in Floyd County Kentucky where the poor just keep shooting themselves in the foot by voting out of ignorance and class envy for democrats every election. I hate what the democrats have done to my people.

  • Marcanewman1

    So who is the more wise? The one who believes no higher power is needed in such troubled times or the one who believes a higher power is needed? Certainly seems to me that man’s attempts to work together without the invitation of a higher power continues to be a dismal failure and man’s continued refusal to recognize it seems a bit insane. Since when can a political representative in the USA not go into a gathering of people who share common beliefs not verbalize the beliefs of the people to whom they speak? Is a time coming when each and every American (you and I) will be responsible citizens and hold accountable any who are so intolerant of our freedoms? Our great Constitution equally provides both of these men the freedom to speak from their heart. Only wisdom allows the listener to discern which speaker is more intelligent. From where, or Whom does wisdom come? Did a mere man create it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Bell/1650513246 Jim Bell

    I’m pushing 70 years of age, and I never EVER thought I would live long enough to see Christians and the Christian Church be subjected to the open, pure, raw, naked, unadulterated and unashamed hostility it’s getting from the Liberal Leftist side of politics.

    The only religion these anti-Christians seem to respect is the one that has the stated goal of turning America into an Islamic state and imposing Shariah Law. Liberals lie awake nights thinking up new ways to insult and demean Christians, but they’re the first to jump to the defense of Muslims anytime someone has the temerity to react negatively to their goals.

    I’m really embarrassed and ashamed to admit that I used to be a Democrat, but I finally saw the light and switched parties after the 2000 election. I didn’t leave the Democratic Party though. It lost its collective mind and left me.

    • Dynarider89

      Amen, and God bless you sir!

    • JustFollowing

      Like I said in an earlier post, if Christians don’t have a problem with people believing in G-d as Jews, Moslems, Catholics, Protestants, Agnostics, Deists, then no problem here. The question is whether that’s the true aim of this legislator or not. We live in a pluralistic society founded on principles that G-d exists, but not a Christian G-d per se.

      • Big Tony

        Your wrong. The country was founded on a Christian God. The Anglicans are Christian.

      • Cwxj415

        JustFollowing says: “We live in a pluralistic society founded on principles that G-d exists, but not a Christian G-d per se”

        Well said, sir. The PROBLEM, of course, is that the dishonest mean-spirited rightie FauxChristians don’t see it that way. For that crowd of ignorant hate-mongere, anybody who doesn’t give their lives to Jesus is an evildoer. That’s why they cannot understand why a non-Christian could possibly be offended by David Bates’ unamerican chauvenism. They refuse to recognize that when a NON-Christian hears a Democratically elected representative in a pluralistic society in which there is not supposed to be any religious tests INSISTS that everybody needs to accept Jesus in order to be a good American, these people are RIGHTLY offended.

        I’m so sick and tired of Christians pretending to be so abused. You are all a bunch of whining little girls. I suggest you study American history and learn what “religious liberty” actually means.

        • Rick Caird

          Has it occurred to you that you are complaining that someone else is not open minded and tolerant enough while you denounce that person in the most hateful and bigoted manner possible? All, the while you are showing substantially less tolerance for his view while claiming he is not tolerant enough.

          Thanks for the amusing example you have provided. Would you consider yourself a “liberal”?

        • Christ Died For All Of Us

          It has become that religious liberty is for the non-Christian! If you are a Christian then you are not allowed to express your beliefs, because others are offended. Therefore you cannot openly express your beliefs lest you be ridiculed.

          The problem I have come across in many places is that too many people call themselves Christians and have NOT accepted Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. You CANNOT be a Christian and NOT be a follower of Christ! They are inseparable.

          Can you be a Moslem and not follow the teachings of Muhammad? I do not think so. So how can you be a Christian and not be a follower of Jesus Christ teachings?

          Fact is the Christians are being abused more and more. It is our own fault however, as we do not take a stand and wait for someone else to do it IMO. Until the Christians stand up and defend themselves (non-violently) at the ballot box and everywhere they are attacked, this will continue.

          In Iraq we hear about stories where Muslims are breaking into the homes of Christians and killing them, simply because they are Christian. This is not new and has been happening for many years mainly throughout the Middle East, Asia and Africa. It is only a matter of time until it happens in Europe and then here. I am coming to realize that I may possibly die for my faith than from old age! If that is what happens to me then the glory be to God!! However the Left would have us believe we have to be tolerant, all the way to our slaughter. Yet they fail to see that their heads will roll, surly as mine will, should that day come.

          I say Merry Christmas, as this is the season we celebrate Christ birth. I refuse to be told to say otherwise. If someone is offended then that is their problem not mine. See only you can CHOOSE to be offended. If a Jewish person tells me Happy Hanukkah (spelled wrong I believe) I am not offended one bit. If a Muslim wants to go to Mecca for the Hajj, I am not offended. Do I believe as they do, of couse not, but do I believe that they would be better to follow the teachings of Christ? Absolutely. Should I tell them about Christ? Absolutely!! Do I beat them into submission or kill them as Islam teaches? Absolutely NOT!! That is God’s realm, not mine.

          However make no mistake, I will be held accountable for the choices I make in life and that includes who I vote for to be the leaders of our country. Unfortunately I have to consistantly vote for the lesser of two evils, but that is the society we live in today.

          I would pray that maybe you could see what a person intentions are, before you cast judgement on them. Is the representatives’ intention to harm the nation or to turn to God to help heal our land as the scripture teaches? I happen to believe it is the latter.

          • Qwennie630

            I have to laud you on your clearly stated position. I just do not believe in being passive going to the slaughter. that, of course, is not a 1st option to be deployed, but is an option to used and done so with extreme righteousness if necessary.

      • Larry

        You are an outright bigot that tries to hide their hatred in the phony defense of other religions.

        • Cwxj415

          Well said, Larry. ANYBODY who does not acknowledge the primacy of Christianity is a bigot!

          My God, your ignorant unamerican chauvenism disgusts me. But the fact that SO MANY people on the right believe exactly like you do makes me weep for my country.

          • Larry

            Would you like to settle this man to man? Any time, any place you sniveling coward.

      • Kearly

        Real “Christians” could care less what Jews, Moslems, Catholics, Protestants, Agnostics, Deists believe – that is not their problem to deal with. Has there been self proclaimed “christians” that has given others a bad name, sure, just like liberal dems give all democrats a bad name. There are idiots everywhere regardless of what religion, political party they embrace. But it does seem that the so called party of “tolerance” has became an oxymoron in that they don’t tolerate anything.

    • Thecomedian

      Let me guess, you heard about the shariah law thing from a chain email?

      • OB

        Let me guess, you are an idiot.

        • Thecomedian

          No, I don’t actually believe that Democrats are trying to implement Shariah law. That would make me an idiot.

          • Cwxj415

            True, but refusing to say it will ensure that all the bigotted morons posting on this story will accuse you of hating your country (and a host of other insults as well).

          • Thecomedian

            Yeah If i don’t believe unsubstantiated chain e-mail garbage, I’m probably some sort of traitor.

      • Top Daddy

        Radical Islamists have openly stated that their ultimate goal is to convert the Middle-East, Europe, the United States, etc. to Islam and their way of thinking. This is not some “bogus” chain email but open proclamations. These people want to implement Sharia Law worldwide, which means, btw, that all the rights and freedoms we now enjoy would be stripped from us. This means that all women would forbidden from wearing any clothing even remotely revealing, openly practicing homosexuals would be in jeopardy of public hanging or stoning. Alcohol of any kind would be banned. Pornography would be banned. Etc, etc, etc.

        Radical Islamists mean us real harm. Moderate Muslims do not. I have spent time in the Middle-East and can tell you from experience that the implementation of Sharia law worldwide is not just some pipe dream, it is a concerted effort.

      • Top Daddy

        Radical Islamists have openly stated that their ultimate goal is to convert the Middle-East, Europe, the United States, etc. to Islam and their way of thinking. This is not some “bogus” chain email but open proclamations. These people want to implement Sharia Law worldwide, which means, btw, that all the rights and freedoms we now enjoy would be stripped from us. This means that all women would forbidden from wearing any clothing even remotely revealing, openly practicing homosexuals would be in jeopardy of public hanging or stoning. Alcohol of any kind would be banned. Pornography would be banned. Etc, etc, etc.

        Radical Islamists mean us real harm. Moderate Muslims do not. I have spent time in the Middle-East and can tell you from experience that the implementation of Sharia law worldwide is not just some pipe dream, it is a concerted effort.

    • Pcrawford10

      in the words of RR….

      the democrats have gone so far to the left, they have left America!

  • 2 Junkmaiol Bin

    democrat progressive liberal socialist communist ecoterrorists do not care about the constitution. It gets in their way when trying to demonize or gag others free speach

  • George

    Democrats are stupid.

    • LambBasted

      There are two kinds of Democrats: 1. Good, but too lazy to be informed. or 2. Evil

  • Doc

    The “liberals” in the Democratic Party are anti-God, anti-family and anti-country. Godlessness is their creed. Disgusting!

  • Sjgivens

    DESTROY THE VERY FABRIC OF USA. SICK THINKING! KRISTEN SHOULD BE THROWN OUT FOR ANTI-AMERICAN BASIC PRINCIPALS. VERY SICK MAN.

  • JED

    The Democratic Party or the “Established GOP”… There is little to no difference. We, the people, will take back our country and elect (judge) people by the fruits that they bear and not by what the media or the political establishments say who we should vote for. We, the people, will no longer be deceived into voting for the already “chosen ones” of the few godless elites. Greater is HE, Whom is within God’s people, than those whom know Him not.

    • LambBasted

      Tea Party Power. Use it people!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/555HP3NPFJ2E7MRU4CZUN7GSEU James H

    Christian Taliban out in force on this comment board. You don’t like free speech? He can promote his religious beliefs and anyone else can bash them. Welcome to America Christian Taliban. Don’t like it? Go start your own country.

    • emissary of YAH

      The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.

      • religion_lies

        I don’t believe in a god, devil, fairy tales, or Santa Claus.

        • Gsebenste

          it doesn’t matter that you believe it…He is. Period. No matter what you say or think.

          • Anonymous

            Really, can you prove that?

          • StanW

            Prove what, crthns? That God exists? Do you really want to have this discussion?

          • Bob

            Can you DISPROVE that?

          • Confucius0001

            Lets assume for the moment that Science is your religion.

            The fact is that Science cannot see what created the Multi-Verse. It does say that that it expands and then contracts and then expands, it has no beginning and not end.

            And yet it cannot figure out how this “beginning and ending” came into being.

            Science does not ask “why” or “what” only “how”. And it is that which contributes to the its lack of understanding of the “how”.

            When asked “How than did it all get here, what brought about the “beginning and ending” is falls completely on its face.

            But do not that to those whose belief in science is their religion.

            You know why prayer might work?

            My idea is that as reality bubbles up and out from the Planck scale it (reality) may be influenced by vibrations. I believe that our consciousness is a transceiver and it sends and receives these vibrations. When you consider that all life and all other things may be inter-connected at this level in this way, then you may begin to delve into the places where science has not gone.

            Have a nice moment…

          • LambBasted

            You can’t prove the existence of anything to someone who already knows it doesn’t exist. But the question always comes down to this…how did we get here? All the leading elite atheists do believe in the aliens that came from space or something and seeded life on the planet which somehow turned into all living things that ever existed. Now that is a likely and scientific scenerio don’t you think? Can you prove the aliens came millions of years ago and started life? Perhaps the aliens were dressed like Santa Clause or the Sky Fairy so no one would recognize them?

          • LambBasted

            Wait. Who made the aliens? More Aliens of course. Who made them? Aliens. Who made them. Aliens. Nanu Nanu, Blah Blah Blah…..At some point, you have to admit that the Easter Bunny or some other Eternal Being may have been involved. Who was the first being? It always comes down to: How did we get here? It happened somehow or other. It will become a matter of faith everytime, whether eons of chance, or aliens, or God.

        • Hans

          Then explain why you exist.

        • Joe White

          Since according to the Constitution there is no religious test for public office, your atheistic view (even though it’s illogical) wouldn’t disqualify you for public service, just as this Christian David Bate’s religious view shouldn’t be subject to the politicization and bigotry that the Democratic spokesman Harrell Kirstien exemplified.

          • swathdiver

            Immoral people should not be allowed to serve, those who serve themselves and not God are immoral people. Many state Constitutions in the Founding Era only allowed Christians to serve in public office. This type of affirmation should return to all levels of government. The infidel’s god is their belly, the Christian seeks to honor God by their works.

            It used to be illegal to be a Communist in America. When it was no longer illegal, they infested every facet of American life and have destroyed the moral fabric of this nation. It’s past time to route them and their evil ideology from within our shores.

          • Joe White

            That sounds great, swathdiver, until you realize that we are all immoral. Even the best of us is a sinner.

            The Founders’ solution to this was not to impose a religious test for public office (“The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States” Article 6, US Const.) but rather was to design a system of limited government, checks and balances, separation of powers so that political power would not be concentrated in the hands of a few.

          • swathdiver

            Back in the founding era Christians weren’t considered immoral. We were all sinners but not all immoral. The Founders did not refer to people with low or high morals, just moral and immoral.

            Yes, many state constitutions had affirmations that one had to profess a belief in Christ Jesus and in the infallible word of the Old and New Testament. It has since been changed to allow the Statists in who by definition are immoral and EVIL by their actions.

            If America is to survive to the end times, Statists must be removed from public office and never allowed to serve as they have no respect for Life, Liberty and Property; their God is their belly.

          • Joe White

            The Constitution provides that there is no religious test for public office. I am in agreement with that and apparently you are not.

            I think it far better that we concentrate on decentralizing power and restoring checks and balances so that power doesnt become concentrated in the hands of a few, no matter which religion they profess.

            Obama professes Christianity, but that doesn’t mean I trust him to do what is right. Simply professing a faith and living it are two different things. One can profess Christianity to get around the prohibition that you favor.

        • David

          I don’t think these discussions are really turning a corner to greater understanding between citizens or promoting open dialogue. James makes a valid argument based on freedom of speech, but then goes on to call Christian religion a superstition opening the doors for name calling and statements of creed and beliefs which don’t accomplish any further constructive discussion.

        • Walldog

          I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist.

        • RebelRed

          And you are a sad human being.

        • LambBasted

          Yet, for some reason here you are – taking the time to read and post on this board about religion. I suppose that you must at least be interested in religion then. The question is why?

    • Geo_wash1776

      We already did :-P

    • Band of the White Rose

      By 1774, the VAST majority of clergy in the Colonies preached sermons against King George and not just on Sundays. Many picked up their muskets and joined provincial militias. Many called for Days of Prayer and Fasting in opposition to the tyranny they correctly identified. FYI – Unlike the Taliban, Christian clergy do not stone women for wearing dresses. We would provide you with historically documented info, but someone would have to read it to you – if your fascist friends would allow.

    • Marcanewman1

      James, Regretfully you have read many “non-Christian like” comments directed at you. For that I am truly sorry. It is not the way of true Christians. With concern for you I respectfully request you to consider this for your self. What if, just what if it were possible that true Christianity and the Bible are right? Where would that leave you? Does an “eternity” being real depend on your belief in an eternity? Do you think that you will be able to escape the effects simply because you don’t believe it (assuming it is all real)? Please consider these things James. I do not agree with your opinions on the subject matter of this debate but I certainly respect your right to your opinion and the freedom to express them. Good day to you sir.

      • Otavio Lima

        Throughout history the Church has grown when rejected. The real danger comes when the church is used to achieve political goals. Hitler’s first agenda was to neutralize resistance from the church. He achieved his goal at the “Brown Synod.” Let us thank, and love our enemies, for calling us to true faith.

      • Anonymous

        Wait, are you talking about religion or global warming?

        • Marcanewman1

          Yes I am.

    • Ladderdolly

      “Our constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governing of any other” John Adams

      • LambBasted

        It could be reasonably argued that the founding fathers intended that ONLY a moral and religious person should be allowed to participate in Government by voting or holding office. Would love to see someone try this argument when the ACLU comes a knocking about the manger scene too close to the school house.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/B6F63QRD25KIPZ5J5I2A3AVYL4 Red

      Poor baby, take your toys and run home to mommy. See if she can get you a history book.

  • mm

    Apparently the last acceptable politically correct bigotry is anti-christian sentiment which the left displays all the time. It is because communisim, which is the style of gov’t they ultimately want is atheistic. We can expect nothing else from this administration who year one of the presidency had to be convinced they needed to set up the whitehouse nativity at Christmas (they wanted to ommit it); a President who keeps leaving out words like “under God”, “endowed by our creator” from our defining documents. Think hard about Reverend Wright’s tirades, the vitrol, the hatred…we cannot be surprised.

    No we cannot be surprised, but the question is what will the 85% of people in this country who self-identify as christians do about it??? Will they vote as christians? Will you stand and defend?

    Any town which has been challenged by an aethist group about a nativity display, what you need to do, if a court rules it must be taken down…then every private property in town, private retailers, private homes, etc., needs to set one up. Make them multiply, so they can’t look anywhere without seeing a physical one or a poster/sign. Put up Angels declaring Gloria in excelsis Deo. You have to make it not worth their while to pursue it.

    • Jim0815

      Yeah, that’s why I stopped being a Democrat years ago. I woke up and saw so much criticism of Christians and Christianity from the Left that I decided that I could not support these people anymore.

  • Joe White

    I wonder of Harrell Kristien said anything when Obama spoke at a church during his presidential campaign:

    from http://articles.cnn.com/2007-10-08/politics/obama.faith_1_obama-s-south-carolina-rick-warren-faith?_s=PM:POLITICS

    “I think that’s a healthy thing, that we’re not putting people in boxes, that everybody is out there trying to figure out how do we live right and how do we create a stronger America,” Obama said.

    He finished his brief remarks by saying, “We’re going to keep on praising together. I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth.”

    Since America is a republic, not a kingdom, what exactly was he talking with these church folks about?

    Or how bout when Obama said his career was part of his faith:

    from http://articles.cnn.com/2010-09-28/politics/obama.tough.question_1_late-term-abortion-abortion-debate-president-barack-obama?_s=PM:POLITICS

    adding that we also can “see God in other people and do our best to help them find their, you know, their own grace.”

    “So that’s what I strive to do,” Obama said. “That’s what I pray to do everyday. I think my public service is part of that effort to express my Christian faith.”

    Did Democrats like Kristien blow a gasket when he said that?

    No, the silence from the left was deafening.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Smith/100000793020486 Adam Smith

      The left understand that Obama’s “Liberation Theology” is just Marxism cloaked in Christian language for purposes of cover. Obama’s god is the State. He uses Christian language but intends to destroy Christianity and substitute the State as the undisputed ruler of us all – all for our own good, of course, since Obama is smarter than us and deserves to take what we produce, deliver it to those that he thinks deserving and have his bureaucracy of experts take control of all the important decisions and events of our lives. In an earlier time his design for us would have been termed “slavery”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Smith/100000793020486 Adam Smith

      The left understand that Obama’s “Liberation Theology” is just Marxism cloaked in Christian language for purposes of cover. Obama’s god is the State. He uses Christian language but intends to destroy Christianity and substitute the State as the undisputed ruler of us all – all for our own good, of course, since Obama is smarter than us and deserves to take what we produce, deliver it to those that he thinks deserving and have his bureaucracy of experts take control of all the important decisions and events of our lives. In an earlier time his design for us would have been termed “slavery”.

  • Propappr

    It’s just easy to pick on the Christians, I think its aweful. With what they do for everyone out of the goodness of their hearts is amazing. When is the last time you saw a soup kitchen ran by an entity other than the Christians. And Im not including the goverment run crap. Just imagine if they picked up and left, lol talk about hunger. I live in an disaster area, and after a hurricane, who is the first on the spot. You guessed it, and people like James H are there wanting food, water and the like. All the while bashing them, I feel sorry of individuals with such low morals. We the christians love you dispite your ingnorance. We will feed you dispite your believe’s

    Merry Christmas, remember he is the reason for the season.

  • ReConUSMC

    Those not “Understanding ” The extreme far left should read the most important read of their lives ….. Machiavelli Dark Prince ,
    Karl Marx’s “Theories ” who would not even work or support his family .
    Lien’s Communist Manifesto , Coward and Pivins how to destroy Capitalism and Lastly
    Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals .The left’s and Obama’ Bible also where he worked for 5 years as did Hillary for two summers .
    It will unfold before you eyes like the largest Light Bulb going of in your brain ever .
    What do all the above mentioned have in Common ?
    There is no evil they will not perform to own the all there is in the Human being .
    Man to Communist are nothing more than Indentured Servants and slaves to the cause ….Much like Blacks are in America ….Example you ask ? Black Males between the ages of 18-35 are 35.7 % unemployed and 49.7 % don’t grad HS …Yet they still love Obama and the left .

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Smith/100000793020486 Adam Smith

      Underlying the left is Marxism, the view that all of history is driven by underlying economic forces and that the just aim of development is the establishment of an all-powerful State headed by an elite of Marxist ideologues to create a socialist paradise on Earth. Modern liberalism, Progressivism, Socialism etc are all derivatives of Marxist Communism. The left has to destroy all alternative forms of legitimacy for individual and governmental action – hence they are in a battle for market share with Christianity and ultimately with all the religions. They view this battle as important enough that deception, misrepresentation, and for that matter suppression and termination of their ideological enemies, the Christians, is perfectly acceptable. See Stalin’s Russia, Mao’s China, the Cambodia of the Khymer Rouge, Castro’s China, Zimbabwae, Chavez’s Venezuela as examples of active suppression while the more subtle policy of active penalization and minimization destroying Christianity to be the style in Europe – different means, same end. ReConUSMC is absolutely correct that Marxist economics have always failed wherever tried and left only famine in their wake. ReConUSMC is also correct that one can read the Communist Manifesto or any number of Marxist documents to understand the plan to destroy Capitalism and the Liberty it requires and enables. Finally ReConUSMC is correct that Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals is a quick but chilling read that outlines just how manipulative, deceptive and evil the left are in their politics.

    • LambBasted

      The same problem in Eastern Kentucky. White poor folk stay poor and keep voting Democrat. Why? Because they are trapped in a lie. They also take offence if you suggest that maybe they should rethink things a bit.

      My message to Floyd County: You have voted Democrat for decades. Shouldn’t Floyd County be a paradise by now? We love you. Save yourselves.

  • Eph. 2:10

    NH Journal should fire the editor. Not capitalizing “God”? Wha wha wha WHAT??? Just sayin’… Hey Dems, without God there would be nothing. He is the Creator and Darwin was wrong. And don’t try to argue, you WILL loose. So when you celebrate Christmas this year, remember God sent his Son to save us. Embrace it and you will truely be fulfilled.

  • Anonymous

    You know God is supposed to be capitalized…

    I am certain you would capitalize Allah, so I find your slant interesting an pretty telling!

  • Dave

    God has a capital “G” unlike the above article.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Smith/100000793020486 Adam Smith

      Actually the grammar is that God has a capital G if you are referring to a single monotheocratic God who is the sole origin and ruler of the universe. On the other hands, the proper grammar for multiple gods – as in the Greek gods or Norse gods or the State as the secular god for Progressive Liberals the proper use is a small ‘g” god. Sorry to be picky but as long as you were going to be picky it seemed worth the effort to help you be completely correct.

  • Jeffile

    The First Amendment is quite clear. Congress cannot create a national religion nor restrict an individuals free exercise of their religion. How much simpler can it be? Nativity scene, school Christmas plays, mentioning faith in Christ during a commencement speech, etc are clearly legitimate and aupported by the Constitution. Strange how the First Amendment has become Jim Crow laws for Christians. Eleven of the original thirteen states had a state supported or endorsed religion. For our liberal friends, The First Amendment pertains to Congress not the states or individuals.

    • LambBasted

      Behold the urban legend from hell: “separation of church and state”. There simply is no such thing. It is a creature created by liberal lawyers. Who, by the way, are not the most honest lot.

  • Anonymous

    Some go toward the light and others run from it…

  • Lyddiasimone

    I agree with Mr Bates 100%… I’m glad that he knows this

  • Guest

    Regardless of your religious beliefs God should be capitalized when referring to the deity of a monotheistic religion and god/gods should not be capitilized when reffering to the deity/deities of a polytheistic religion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TUOKN7TGLGQB64ZJJLCS5FEPK4 hahayeahhaha

    The message, that “The Government is not our Saviour”, I’m sure is what was so hard for the democrats to swallow.

    • tibet

      In the eyes of many Liberals, he just committed an unforgivable blasphemy against their god, the all powerful state.

    • tibet

      In the eyes of many Liberals, he just committed an unforgivable blasphemy against their god, the all powerful state.

  • Anonymous

    The first thing I took from this article was that Paddy couldn’t spell God correctly.
    What does one talk about in church – my guess would be your faith – just about the only place left for a Christian to be able to speak about his/her faith. Why isn’t Harrell speech considered hate speech? It offends me? But I guess a Christian white married male who attends mass, works, pays his taxes can’t be offended since I am the reason for *** name your group here**** the oppression and slavery and uneducated and poverty and dismay for everyone in the world. The DemonRatz just can’t be happy unless they are offending someone they hate.

  • Anonymous

    Do not tempt The Lord, Thy God.

  • Jazzman2go

    There has always been a misconception of seperation of Church and State especially by the lib/dems. The Founding Fathers did not want a Church of America to rule as did the Church Of England. That’s why we came to this land for in 1st place. That is why we are guraranteed freedom of religion. Now this Holier than Thou Rep Kirstien once again distorts the Constitution as libs love to do to try and make a point and a jab. Let us rue the day we can not express our believes in fear of retribution or ridicule.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Smith/100000793020486 Adam Smith

      Correct. Historically the Founders were aware of the fights between different Christian denominations in England for state power to dominate the other denominations and wished to avoid the same – hence the prohibition of an establishment of a state religion. The principle derived from Locke’s “Essay on Toleration” in which he laid out the idea that the different Christian denominations should tolerate one another and other religions AS LONG AS THEY DID NOT SEEK STATE POWER, that is as long as they were tolerant. At that time the Catholic church was intolerant and did seek state power and Locke noted that it was an error to tolerate Catholicism. After the Catholic Church gave up its attempt to restore hegemony through the aid of state power then it made sense for Protestants to tolerate it. An interesting implication of this derives from the fact that Islam is theocratic – not just a religion but a system of law (Sharia) and a form of government (Caliphate) and is clearly intolerant of Christianity in virtually all of the Muslim countries. Under Locke’s principle there is no obligation on Christians to tolerate Muslims. Similarly if one conceives of Marxism and its children Socialism and Progressive Liberalism as essentially an anti-Christian religion with the state as their god and with the intention of destroying Christianity through their anti-Christian bigotry then there is no obligation on Protestants and Catholics to tolerate them. The last and delicious irony is that if the Muslims ever do establish hegemony it is the secular liberals they will destroy first per repeated historical examples.

      • Texas

        I would point out that even the Constitution is not without mention of Christ. I says “in the year of our Lord”, not in the year of Allah nor anything else. That very mention shows that Christianity was part of the everyday life of the Founding Fathers and was not excluded from the document. And don’t say that was just the way they wrote it. Other official documents are not all signed in that way. Do the research.

    • Jimpvfi

      There is a great book by David Barton, ” Original Intent, The Courts, the Constitution, and Religion. I must admit upon finishing this book I was saddened at how far we have allowed the government to restrict so many of our basic rights. But I have faith we the people will set things right once again, I can feel it happening, can’t you?

  • Rbosssr

    My Christial friend, I’ve been reading the comments and the tho’t that Demcrats have anything to do with freedom, fairness, morals, ir’s like believing in Santa, He has a large following and had a wonderful attirude and is a gift giver but absolutely no proof of any thing concrete he has done, a lot like Obama, OUR BROTHER JUST PRAYED A PRAYER BASED ON II CHRONICLES 7: 14 AND THE BIBLE IS SOMETHING WE CAN ALL BELIEVE AND THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANYONE WHO CAN SAY THAT IT IS NOT REAL AND IT’S TRUTHS ARE NOT ENDURING. We need more Statesmen like the speaker from New Hampshire if you ask me……………

  • Steve Henderson

    It all boils down to this…

    John 15: 18-19
    18 “If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.

  • PatriotGirl

    But he is right!! Many problems we hav today stem from too many liberal ideas and tearing away from good Biblical living. Freedome of Religion was put in place so people good worship God as they chose, and choose their own “Religion”, much like what England went thru in tearing away Protestant from the enforced Catholic Religion. IT also gives Freedoms to choose to worship or not worship the one true God, but in doing so, people need to face facts. God is real. His bible – his holy word is for us to live by and follow him. He even gives us free will to choose to follow him or not. Unfortunately, those who choose not to, are condemmed to hell for not choosing to accept Christ as their Savior. But that is their choice. I wold like to know if the writer of the article mispelled God (used a lower case g) on purpose, or if he was told to spell God’s name wrong. God is always spelled with a upper case “G”, as it is one of his names. Using “god”, is just a reference to a common word that many people use to capture their fake idols of worship.

  • Billc

    The writer fails to capitalize “God”.

  • Eli

    The nhjournal’s deliberate non-capitaolization of the word “god”, when it was obviously used to refer to the God of Christians and Jews is a blatant underhanded statement of where they stand on this matter. I’m suprised they even reported this at all. :-(

  • A teachable moment

    Well they went to the public school system , you have to forgive the misspelling

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6RCY4ZFWJ5KJFGO45SP45HF22U old

      But the public schools do such a good job with Self Esteem and condom distribution they must be forgiven.

  • twg

    New Hampshire, same as any place in America. Liberals are beginning lose their mask, but they are insidious and use every lever of government and legal instrument to extend their “We know better than you” agenda.

  • Dckest

    New Hampshire is blessed to have this man as a legislator.

  • Constance

    Representative Bates is right! God is the only answer to our problems! Representative Bates said the most realistic and truthful thing that could have been said. I am glad Kevin Smith is backing him up. Nice to have a reality check in the midst of all the political confusion we are bombarded with daily. Some people in high places think they can define reality, but we humans do not define reality, no matter how much certain power-factions want to do so. We humans can choose to live in a dream world where we are the center of the universe. Some even have the power and wealth to create huge illusions so that others begin to believe their lies and fantasies. But in the end, we all stand before the same God whether we believe in him or not. In reality, all we as humans can do is recognize truth or lies for what they are, or we can deny truth and call it a lie and accept lies and call them truth. It doesn’t change the truth one single bit. All that happens is that the denier of truth/believer of lies lives in a fantasy world. Some are drunk on their own delusions of grandeur. It does not matter how loudly, confidently or aggressively a person advocates for a lie, it is still a lie….it is impossible to make a lie into truth. God is the one who sets the standard and he is the final arbiter. He’s the one who defines right and wrong, truth and lies. Some want to believe that because they choose not to believe in God, He is irrelevant or does not exist. They are in for a rude awakening at some point whether in this life or the hereafter.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FD2EXLD2UTPFIZGXTN7SOU64IA Rich

    The truth hurts… the only hope for our country is to repent and turn back to the Judeo Christian principles that it was founded on. The longer we wait, the worse it will get. But I guess that makes me “intolerant”. I am proud to be intolerant and am sick of the whining from the left. I fear and respect God, and pray that we turn it around before it’s too late.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Smith/100000793020486 Adam Smith

    While significant segments of the habitual Democrat voters are Christians, the Democratic Party leadership, intelligencia and ideologues are entirely anti-Christian bigots. There is a reason for this. At the root of their socialist philosophy are the ideas of Karl Marx. The socialists understand that they are in a battle for intellectual market share with the Christians. The socialists have as their god (small g intentional) the State. Their ideology requires the State (with them as custodians) to be supreme. As a small but telling example, Obama’s omission of the phrase “endowed by their Creator” when quoting the Constitution al phrase of “endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness” was clearly intentional (and indeed was repeated elsewhere by Obama, a Constitutional law Professor who should know better but a man who learned a pseudo-Christianity at a Marxist liberation theology church, does not attend church now, and mimics being a Christian for political purposes. But I digress .. . ..) Inalienable rights endowed by a Creator cannot be legitimately taken by man whereas if they are endowed by the State, that which the State endowed, the State can alienate. In a larger sense the point here is that the Democratic Party hates Christianity ideologically because they see Christianity as an alternative independent source of moral legitimacy from their Marxist creed. They remember for example the critical role of the Catholic church in Poland in backing Lech Walesa’s “Solidarity” union against the godless Communists and shudder to see that Poland now is a free and Christian country and that their Marxism lies in tatters.

  • Wflane

    This is an excellent article as it gives the facts and provides the video from which the reader can make their own conclusions. In my opinion, it was an excellent speech.

  • Janortiz

    Rate of divorce among christains vs atheist?

    Christians only fear god when it suits them.

  • Victor

    I do not understand why Patrick Hynes (or Harrell Kirstien, if the quote were in written form) chose to use lower case “god” in both of the above quotes, as this further compounds the affront to Representative Bates.

  • Janortiz

    the only thing we can do is ask our imaginary friend for help.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FD2EXLD2UTPFIZGXTN7SOU64IA Rich

      Janitor – you believe what you want – I’m pushing “all in” on God – let’s see who wins

  • Tj

    We have reached a turning point in the history of the United States and the world where Right(god, country,prayer is wrong.judeo-christian religion is hated), socialism is accepted.The nations has become too thin-skinned, you can’t say this, you can’t say that.You might hurt some ones feelings or cause some emotional distress.The ACLU is every where spreading their anti-christiany and anti-America hate(funded by Soros) everywhere.We need to get our christian values back and take our nation back from these communist ideologists.According to the Bible, the end times are here, wars, famines, desease.Wrong is right, right is wrong.Is there more to be say.We’re just waiting for our Christ to come.

  • Dbates

    Hate to be nitpicky here but according to the AP style guide, the word God is capitalized. Out of religious respect, the NH Journal should at least capitalize the word. Question: Does the Journal capitalize Mohammad in news stories?

  • Anonymous

    Liberals are fascists. They understand that Christianity threatens their intention to strip us of our God-given Constitutional Rights, and that’s why they get so nasty with people of faith.

    Mostly we should be kind to them, but we shouldn’t allow them to trample our rights.

    Why we’re letting the Obama Nation’s TSA thugs run wild in our underwear is beyond my comprehension.

    Enough already!

  • Hans

    I’m sure if this had been something about “allah” they would have capitalized the letter “A” in “Allah”. But since it’s about the “Christian God”, they used a lower case “g”. The liberal double standards are disgusting!

  • http://bellsouthpwp.net/h/t/htos1 Htos1

    But,isn’t that a hate crime?_oh,that’s right, only southern white Christian males can be charged with a hate crime.AND bitter clingers.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6RCY4ZFWJ5KJFGO45SP45HF22U old

      Bitter Clingers rock don’t we ;-)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PMHFDWBRVU3ILUVMOVHNHYNAAY Jim Jiminy

    @nhjournal.com, Correction: “turn from our wicked ways and ask god to heal our land” should be: “turn from our wicked ways and ask God to heal our land”, you bigoted assholes.

  • Reed52398

    Pretty sure “God” should be capitalized in this context…

  • http://bellsouthpwp.net/h/t/htos1 Htos1

    If you want to be a GOOD Democrat, you must have certain basic beliefs:

    1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.

    2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can’t teach 4th graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

    3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of the Chinese.

    4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

    5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth’s climate and more affected by yuppies driving SUVs.

    6. You have to be against capital punishment (putting murderers to death) but support abortion (killing innocent unborn babies) on demand (federally funded of course.)

    7. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments and unions create prosperity.

    8. You have to believe that hunters don’t care about nature but loony activists from Seattle do.

    9. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

    10. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

    11. You have to believe that taxes are too low but ATM fees are too high.

    12. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson or Thomas Edison.

    13. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist but racial quotas are not.

    14. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn’t worked anywhere it’s been tried is because the right people haven’t been in charge.

    15. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail but liars and sex offenders in the White House are OK.

    16. You have to believe that homosexual parades should be constitutionally protected and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

    17. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the U.S.

    18. You have to believe that gasoline priced at $1.59 per gallon is too expensive but accept bottled spring water at $1.09 per quart as reasonable.

    19. You have to believe the purpose of government is to take money from people who earned it and spend it on people who did not earn it.

    20. You have to believe in Democracy but demand only Democratic victories in elections.

    21. You have to believe that people who disagree with you are stupid and backward while believing people who agree with you are “progressive” and “enlightened.”

    22. You have to believe that a “B” average economics major from Yale University with a MBA from Harvard Business School is too stupid to be President of the United States.

    23. You have to believe that a “C” average history major from Harvard University, who then dropped out of Vanderbilt Law School and was a failure at Vanderbilt Divinity School, is brilliant and should be President of the United States.

    24. You are proud to have Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Bill Clinton in the Democratic Party.

    25. You agreed with France’s position on the war in Iraq until combat victory was achieved within three weeks.

    26. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is really a lady.

    Vote Democratic…It’s easier than getting a job!

    Obama Update!-2k10

    but they distorted history well enough

    Progressivism = Totalitarianism

    It was DEMOCRATS that institutionalized slavery.
    It was DEMOCRATS who commissioned medical professionals to proclaim that “excessive amounts of carbon in the bodies of Negroes” was the reason for their skin color and inferiority. (why do they still have a problem with the benign element Carbon)
    It was DEMOCRATS that did not like the 1860 election of abolitionist REPUBLICAN Lincoln.
    It was DEMOCRATS that seceded from the Union before he was even sworn in.
    It was DEMOCRATS that did not like the outcome of that war so they set up a shadow government in many states, mainly the South, but many in the North too.
    It was DEMOCRATS that formed their own army, the KKK. REPUBLICANS were hanged by the hundreds right alongside the Negroes, usually in the same tree. It was DEMOCRATS that set up Jim Crow laws in the South to further subjugate the Negroes.
    It was DEMOCRAT President Wilson that conducted several private screening in the White House of the film “Birth of A Nation”, the most savage racist product I have ever heard of.
    It was also DEMOCRAT President Wilson that so admired the Progressive movement’s Margret Sanger’s eugenics research (number of black babies aborted far exceeds those of other demographics)
    It was also DEMOCRAT President Wilson that re-segregated the military after it had been fully integrated by the Republicans in the 1870s.
    It was DEMOCRATS that fawned all over Hitler, and his National Socialist Democrat Party and prevented the US from preparing for WW2.
    It was DEMOCRATS that blocked three attempts during the Eisenhower Administration for comprehensive civil-rights legislation.
    It was DEMOCRATS that blocked the doors to Negro school children in Topeka, Little Rock, Montgomery and elsewhere.
    It was DEMOCRATS Bull Conner and George Wallace that loosed the fire hoses. It was REPUBLICAN Eisenhower that sent Federal troops to stop DEMOCRATS ONLY with the force of arms!
    It is DEMOCRATS that encourage black voters with handouts a life of bare subsistence on welfare – the new slaves of the new slave owners .

    • Cwxj415

      OK, people, HERE is the example of rabid ignorance-based lie-strewn HATE that I’ve been talking about. But not one of you so-called “Christians” had anything to say about this dishonest screed, did you?

      • Caffeine402

        Every piece of the above is based on “facts” something the libs and progressives have no use for

      • J6P

        Everything Htos wrote is true. You lying, corrupt Dem scum are destroying our country and you just saw the beginning of the backlash on 2 Nov. It’s going to get MUCH worse for you. For your own safety you would do well to leave the country because payback to the likes of libs like you is going to come with lots of force and high velocity.

      • Christ loves all of us

        What is stated in the post is an absolute fact. Would you care to offer a detailed rebuttal point by point with facts?

        Of course (I will be called a liar for this) MLK was a Republican! If you can prove to me,with facts, he was not I will be more than happy to apologize, but from what I have read he was.

        What I have a hard time figuring out is why so many people who claim to have Christian values, especially in the Black community vote Democrat? Over 95% IIRC. The party that has done more to keep them down under the guise of helping them.

        The Democrat Party effectively put the Black people back on the Plantation, just this time is it run by the Federal Government! However I also believe that many in the Republican party of today are just as guilty. I am fed up with both parties and have been for many, many years.

        I cannot and will not vote for anyone who believes in Abortion, Taking God out of schools, Taking God out of the plege of allegiance, Taking the 10 commandments out of public places, Confiscating property of people who have earned it to give to others who have not (this includes money), Anyone who states you cannot have a bible club in the highschool, but a GLBT group is ok, Our Congress can start each secession with a prayer, but a student cannot pray at a football game, or any other school activity, we can teach evolution, but cannot teach divine creation, you can have a Mexican flag on campus, but do not dare wear a shirt with an American flag on it, I have to tolerate the views of other religions, but I better keep mine to myself. The list goes on and on.

        My question is if my views are so wrong why are you so afraid? Does my religion condone murder of innocent men, women and children? Or do you want to tolerate the other religions because some of them DO teach that the murder of men, women and children are ok? Why are religions of peace feared more than religions that teach hatred and death? My mindset is not the same as yours. I want to see all people prosper, but in life that is not always possible. Since time began after the fall of man, there have been the poor and needy and there will always be poor and needy until
        Christ returns. How they are treated by us will be one of the ways God will judge us. It is our responsibility not governments. “Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime” Sound familliar? That should always be our goal. Unfortunately society has been conditioned to “What are you gonna give me” more than what is good for our country or our society. You want to help feed the hungry, donate to the local soup kitchen. See if I give $100 to the local soup kitchen to feed the hungry, they get $100. Volunteers work there so there are no employee cost, the $100 go to buy and prepare food for the hungry. If the government takes $100 from me to feed the hungry, they would be real luck if $40 of it gets to them by time the govenment employees are paid then the state employees are paid then county/parish employees are paid to give them what is left. Every hand that touches that money is paid in salary, benefits, etc.

        Can you Please, Please tell me why David Duke is so bad, yet Sen. Byrd from WV was so good? To me they are from the same cloth. I cannot find one true liberal, who will agree with me.

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/OMO2R6YYHHJ2I3STNWM3A5VA4Q Jason

        Everything he posted is fact…just because you don’t like it or are too simple minded to understand it does not make it bad. Your lack of education and intelligence is not a reason for my political affiliation to be called names…

    • Thecomedian

      yeah the dixiecrats then walked out of the convetion during Hubert Humphries speech and formed a “States rights” party which was later rolled into the republicans.

      History says HI!

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/OMO2R6YYHHJ2I3STNWM3A5VA4Q Jason

        Much like the KKK was absorbed with open arms into the democrat party huh? History says HI back at ya..and sticks its finger in your eye for good measure…

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/OSPGYMXOE6OEZDBTDINHRZQVNQ Da Kingfish

      And us ignorant Blacks fawn over the democrats, go figure

  • Nilochsaloob

    Wow…I like this guy!

    ANyone who fears God and calls upon God is a WINNER in my BOOK!

  • Anonymous

    Ms. Kirstein is obviously a secularist, someone who would rather us all vote on what is immoral and thus illegal, with our judgment turning on whatever beliefs are now culturally fashionable as driven by media, rather than have our morality rooted in lessons handed down from our ancestors, generation to generation (as in, say, the Bible), whose hard lessons were achieved in the crucible of conflict & distress, as a gift to the present.

    The correct punctuation, by the way, is to capitalize the “G” in “God”:

    • Tom1689

      A follow up to my earlier comment. . .

      Beware secularists – if we’re all just voting on what is immoral & illegal, inevitably those who believe in the greatness of the almighty State are going to come to power. They’re going to decide that anything that harms the State is immoral & they won’t give a damn about any one individual’s rights. Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot (pick whatever nasty dictator you want) decided in the 20th Century that whatever harmed the State (i.e., themselves) was immoral and that philosophy unleashed time & time again an ugly terror — heinous mass murder, that we have never had here in the United States in the past 200 years. Care to guess why? Could it be that, in the past, the ambitions of our elected leaders have been restrained, tempered, moderated, not only by the Constitution, but also by (gasp!) our judeo-Christian traditions? Use those ivy league educations to figure out what makes more sense – should our morality be rooted in ancient ethics that have stood the test of time? Or untethered to anything other than our naked wants in the present?

    • Tom1689

      A follow up to my earlier comment. . .

      Beware secularists – if we’re all just voting on what is immoral & illegal, inevitably those who believe in the greatness of the almighty State are going to come to power. They’re going to decide that anything that harms the State is immoral & they won’t give a damn about any one individual’s rights. Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot (pick whatever nasty dictator you want) decided in the 20th Century that whatever harmed the State (i.e., themselves) was immoral and that philosophy unleashed time & time again an ugly terror — heinous mass murder, that we have never had here in the United States in the past 200 years. Care to guess why? Could it be that, in the past, the ambitions of our elected leaders have been restrained, tempered, moderated, not only by the Constitution, but also by (gasp!) our judeo-Christian traditions? Use those ivy league educations to figure out what makes more sense – should our morality be rooted in ancient ethics that have stood the test of time? Or untethered to anything other than our naked wants in the present?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QB667XSQWYGO5YVA6Z6WE3KX6Y Karl

    Funny how the article refers to God as god. Religious intolerance??

  • Patriot308

    My muslim faith…. you mean your Christian faith…. Oh yeah, my Christian faith…………

    Media Matters is hiding the Clay Duke info.

  • Corleyman

    I’m really curious to know the religious affiliation of “Democratic spokeswoman Harrell Kirstien”. Atheist? Jewish? Muslim? Christian? Buddist? Heathen?

  • Hempstead1944

    What do you expect from a state that harbors child molesters and perverts?

  • JustFollowing

    As long as the legislator doesn’t say how to do that, I could care less. Agnosticism should be a legitimate way to deal with things. Atheism should not be tolerated anymore than fanatical religious belief. Too extreme on both ends.

  • swathdiver

    The Democrat Party was founded to oppose the precepts of Christianity. From Slavery, the KKK, Fascism, Socialism, Communism, Abortion, etc. the Democrats have consistently stood against God for 200 years.

    In the end we all know how it will turn out; Christianity will triumph over Statism. There is no getting along with it, either one will prevail or the other.

    Before Christ returns however, will Christians put a stop to the Statists and sit idly by while they keep killing and destroying or rise up and stop them as they are Biblically instructed to do so???

  • Innovaflow

    Sear Author Patrick Hynes, Could you night even capitalize the Name God in your quote?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6RCY4ZFWJ5KJFGO45SP45HF22U old

    Would Democratic spokeswoman Harrell Kirstien be so quick to attack a mohammedan?
    Hey, maybe Salem’s Witch Trials need one more session in New Hampshire?
    But there is nothing new here-God has been mocked since the Garden. Democratic
    spokeswoman Harrell Kirstien will someday know the Truth.

    There will be Wailing and Gnashing of Teeth but these mockers had their fun.

  • FreeYourMind

    Interesting quote from a bumper sticker that I am planning to put on my car:
    “It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains” – Patrick Henry

  • Anonymous

    If the reporting is accurate then it would appear that this is another golden example of the growing Democratic Party Anti-Christian Bigotry.

  • FreeYourMind

    Let’s get clear on terminology:
    “God” commonly refers to Jehovah/Yahweh;
    “Allah” refers in general to the god of the Muslim faith (characteristics not the same as Yahweh;
    “god” refers to any other natural or supernatural being that is worshipped.
    That’s my understanding, am I missing anything?

  • Tittle

    Not capitalizing the “G” in God shows much. That is the accepted way of writing His name.

    • melissatx

      It’s liberal “nuance.”

  • Innovaflow

    Dear Author Patrick Hynes, Could you not even capitalize the Name of God?

  • melissatx

    The party that practices religious intolerance towards Christianity is the same party that promotes tolerance of Islam and other “religions” and wants to allow gay members of the military to openly serve.

    It is okay to be a Zorastrian, Buddhist, Socialist, Marxist or Gay, Lesbian or Transgendered, but not to be a practicing Christian. And this is who you want to lead the country??????

  • Klbhen

    Liberalism is nothing more then Marxism….Don’t believe me…Go look it up and educate yourselves…….also Marxism is a Religion, that allows no others. See Islam……..Wake up people………………

  • tibet

    Lets be blunt and honest. If you are a Christian or Jew who practices the tenets of your faith, these people on the left hate you. It doesn’t matter that you don’t get in their face like they will in yours, or that you don’t blatently do things to upset them like they do to us, like a cross in urine and call that art. If you do not believe that people who you’ve never met, spoken to or had any affect on could hate you, go to msm or huffington post and read the posts and look at how they refer to you, the names they call you. This person James has refered to us as the Christian Taliban. Does he realize how insulting this is? I assume so. Those of you who follow the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, understand that these people hate you with a passion you cannot comprehend. They don’t persecute Muslims as they do us, because they know we will do no evil to them, no matter what they say. A cartoon of the Prophet Mohammed will get you a death sentence, and they know this, so they leave them alone, unless they can do it in the safety of anominity. But with us, the attacks, criticisms and mockery are out in the open for all to see.

  • lab-rat

    I noticed that the word “God” in this article is written in lower case for some reason. And Kevin Smith is great. Jay & Silent Bob rule…

  • Anonymous

    She would have really hated George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. They referred to God quite often. This country was founded by people who escaped Britain because of religious persecution. It sounds like people like her are trying to persecute those who want to practice religion again. There is no separation of Church and State clause in the Constitution as so many believe. It merely means you are free to practice your religion, but can’t force others to do so. This needs to be straightened out. I’m sick of people like her infringing on the rights of others to believe in God or speak of God. If you don’t like it lady, don’t listen. God is coming back to this country whether you like it or not.

    Here’s a prayer from George Washington’s prayer journal. He prayed it on Sunday morning. He put his life on the line so you could be free to do as you wish lady, lighten up.

    Almighty God, and most merciful father, who didst command the children of Israel to offer a daily sacrifice to thee, that thereby they might glorify and praise thee for thy protection both night and day, receive, O Lord, my morning sacrifice which I now offer up to thee; I yield thee humble and hearty thanks that thou has preserved me from the danger of the night past, and brought me to the light of the day, and the comforts thereof, a day which is consecrated to thine own service and for thine own honor. Let my heart, therefore, Gracious God, be so affected with the glory and majesty of it, that I may not do mine own works, but wait on thee, and discharge those weighty duties thou requirest of me, and since thou art a God of pure eyes, and wilt be sanctified in all who draw near unto thee, who doest not regard the sacrifice of fools, nor hear sinners who tread in thy courts, pardon, I beseech thee, my sins, remove them from thy presence, as far as the east is from the west, and accept of me for the merits of thy son Jesus Christ, that when I come into thy temple, and compass thine altar, my prayers may come before thee as incense; and as thou wouldst hear me calling upon thee in my prayers, so give me grace to hear thee calling on me in thy word, that it may be wisdom, righteousness, reconciliation and peace to the saving of the soul in the day of the Lord Jesus. Grant that I may hear it with reverence, receive it with meekness, mingle it with faith, and that it may accomplish in me, Gracious God, the good work for which thou has sent it. Bless my family, kindred, friends and country, be our God & guide this day and for ever for his sake, who lay down in the Grave and arose again for us, Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen.”

  • http://uscommonsense.net/blog/ US Common Sense

    Excuse me, Mr. Hynes, but “God” is a proper name and therefore capitalized. Not sure how that slipped through your editing department. It’s only lower case when you are referring to a generic deity, such as “a god.”

  • Jfast7777

    Democrats are evil.

  • Twombles

    “No elected official, whether Republican or Democrat, should have to endure such bigoted remarks from a political party simply because they express their religious faith in a public forum,” continued Smith. “Mr. Kirstein ought to re-read the first amendment to the US Constitution and realize all people are guaranteed the freedom of religion, whether he agrees with their beliefs or not.”

    —-i could not possibly AGREE MORE! well said.

    twombles

  • Anonymous

    “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.”
    - George Washington during his farewell address.

    A few more quotes from other founding fathers.
    “We have no government armed in power capable of contending in human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.”
    - Samuel Adams, Source: Unknown

    “The highest glory of the American Revolution was that it connected in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.

    These quotes might be like holding up a silver cross to a vampire with people like her. Oh I hope.

  • Perspective

    What?? A Democrat opposes a call to go back to God?? How shocking..a Democrat who wants to be seen as more important than God???

  • Teeluke

    You know who lets God run their lives? Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Iran….etc. You must separate church and state, or we will end up just like them.

    • biglead

      Really…..that is true ignorance.Have you been watching to much MSLSD:):):):)::):

    • biglead

      Really…..that is true ignorance.Have you been watching to much MSLSD:):):):)::):

  • Jonskatharine712

    Odd that they used a lower-case “g” in the word “God.” It’s bad grammar, in my opinion– like writing “allah” or “krishna.”

  • Deanimator

    I’m a liberal agnostic, and this crap just gets old.

    The only reason why they say these things about Christians (and increasingly Jews) is because they know they won’t get their heads sawed off with a bread knife for it. They’ve got NOTHING to say about “honor” killings, religiously motivated anti-gay violence and misogyny or REAL religious “fanaticism”. They’re just cowards.

    • biglead

      Woe unto men who call good evil and evil………I fear for you!

    • biglead

      Woe unto men who call good evil and evil………I fear for you!

  • Anonymous

    This is no surprise. The liberal movement is rooted in rebellion and has always hated Christians.

    BTW, Bates is right!

  • Monterey

    What this guy said about “our only hope” is exactly right. Just because the democrats don’t understand it doesn’t negate the truth. I hope they figure it out soon, because if they don’t….

  • PITY

    Much hate on all political sides of this discussion. Our common enemy enjoys our hatred of one another.

  • Pcrhkr

    I commend this man for standing up for what he believes in. The Bible has more wisdom in it than any other book in history. The problem is that the decency the Bible teaches have been banned from any public forum, but no other faiths and religions have been banned. Some schools allow prayer rooms for muslims, but not Christians. Christians respect others beliefs, but that does not happen from many other faiths. No matter the persons faith, as long as they do not murder because of it, I am OK with them. If they murder out of hate, then I am against it.

  • Anonymous

    Is it not amazing that in a season where Dems federally are purposively ruining our economy with the so called Tax Bill, the DADT, Stimulus, Ethanol,and 1 trillion dollar Budget with earmarks costing billions, they can blame people for being traditional Judeo-Christians with an American centered worldview. Yet, the MSM and Journo-Lists ,all secular leftists think that conservatives or Republicans are the intolerant, the biased, the evil??? It is just the opposite and we have an all time low for Obama and 13% for the Dem Congress yet these bills get passed. I ask Congress to wait till Jan. 5 when the new Reps come into power and could set things right.

  • Andrew

    Mr. Hynes, that is God with a capital/upper case G.

  • Sharon844

    god is usually spelled God

  • Poffmike2000

    Hate is hate. The only groups that it is politicly OK to hate and talk down openly are Christians and conservative/republicans. It is base pandering and simple hate for democrats.

    • biglead

      Are you for real???really????

    • biglead

      Are you for real???really????

  • CMH

    I have to say, I am a devout Christian who is actually in full time ministry and I am very disappointed in the many “christians” who are posting here. I am a staunchly conservative, what Democrats et. al. would call “a right winger” and I do agree more along the lines of the Republican party rather than the Democratic party but this blatant disrespect and downright hatefulness found on both sides of this argument is seriously unhealthy and ridiculous!

    Christians, those who profess to believe in the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the only Son of the living God, why do you act like this? Christ died so that you might have mercy for your own mistakes, issues and sins. Why do you not offer mercy and grace to those who have differing views than your own? It is OK to disagree. Be proactive in your government, vote according to your values and priorities and allow the vitriol to be splayed by someone other than yourselves. Yes, faith in Christ is absolutely worth standing up for but sharing the truth without love is always wrong and not what is commanded in the bible. You know this because you have read it before but just forgotten. Know that if you call yourself a Christian, and a lot of people do, the opposing view is looking for ways to inflame you and poke holes in your views and perspective. Stay above board and do the right thing. State the truth with conviction but quit insulting everyone else because they don’t believe like you do. Perhaps your loving truthful responses in the face of angry opposition would actually stand out as being different than the rest of the “christians” they know of and perhaps would be willing to open up a peaceful dialogue with you.

    You don’t have to compromise your message. Just do it in a respectful way as you are commanded to do in the holy standard that you claim to be following. May Christ be blessed in your willingness to swallow pride and take the hits for the cause of His name.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/OSPGYMXOE6OEZDBTDINHRZQVNQ Da Kingfish

      Look on the bright side, at least it won’t be crowded with the vermin and trash!

    • Claytonfamily1601

      The sad truth is that when you turn the other cheek to these types of people the will slap you in that one too. They mistake kindness for weakness and walk on your rights as an American. Too few Christians have stood up for their rights is the only way that a very very small minority of the population can shape policy. One man in California named Michael Neudowd was responsible for children not saying the pledge of allegiance in school, keep turning your cheek and you will be forced to bow to Allah when the stripping of our rights is complete.

  • Anonymous

    This is what our forefathers said about democracy & the Rule of Law. They spoke about the days that if Americans stopped the fear of the creator, their democracy is DOOMED to fail them…..I don’t know you, But I’m sure the older Generations know deep in their hearts this is why we falling apart, the love & fear of money has taken over the majority, & the laws that binded us together in the past have fallen to the the wayside & an anything goes society has envolved & strangled this once innovated, honest, love thy neighbor God fearing nation has gone the way of self destruction.

  • Bolce

    Patrick,

    Second paragraph: That’s God with a capital G, thank you

  • Ben Franklin

    HAHAHA, I love the comments from the lemming Christians! Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin – both atheist. Jefferson was a deist at most (ever heard of the “Jefferson Bible” where he cuts out all the silly miracle claims and meta physical nonsense from the King James?)

    Wake up, people. Religion is a fairy tale meant to control you and/or give you a reason to live if you’re too pathetic to come up with your own reasons. Happily, you are free to believe any religion you like. Problems arise when you try to force your beliefs on others. Keep it out of public schools and out of government.

    For what it’s worth, I’m a registered Republican and a firm believer in free markets and actual conservatism. Not the type that the majority of these RINOs claim to be with their unconstitutional wars and support for the military industrial complex.

    Free minds and free markets. It’s the only way to prosperity.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/OSPGYMXOE6OEZDBTDINHRZQVNQ Da Kingfish

      Ben, u r still full of crap after all these years, do u believe in the devil, yes or no?

    • Biglead

      Your obviously have the right to think that the bible is a fairy tale.Like most unbelievers when God is mentioned they think that something is being forced on them.
      It is your right to reject the God of the universe but do me a favor when you are facing death do not cry out for him like most do,and do not not blame him for the sure hardships that you will confront in your life, because he will not hear you
      Again the scripture comes true”They will call evil good and good evil” that is why the bible is so perfect,every jot and tittle.
      I hope he calls you and you find him.
      It must be hard living a life with so much hatred!

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of intolerance and religious bigotry, a note to reporter Hynes:
    Don’t be so blatant about your bias. In those quotes, that should be God with a capital “G.” And you know it, jerk.

    • Anonymous

      Then again, maybe we should be glad he didn’t write is a “G-d,” as if it’s a curse word. I often see that in liberal media.

  • ScottB

    Your story contains references to God in lower case– that’s not just bad editing, but bad taste.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/B6F63QRD25KIPZ5J5I2A3AVYL4 Red

    Democrats, it’s okay..no need to apologize. We know you’re Godless bastards and because of your illiteracy and utter lack of knowledge about this country or it’s history it’s no wonder you have no concept of how God and the founding Fathers considered the two to be integral. Mind you we’re not calling for a theist government run by Mullahs you chowderheads, we simply acknowledge the good graces afforded us by our commitment to doing right to one another under a just constitution. Sorry….too many syllables? I’ll sock puppet it next time.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DWFYZVGZP2GHEXEHSTTJLKVY5M Lu

    Would the man being accuse of being intolerant if he were a Muslim ranting about his faith and Mohammed, or would that be politically incorrect and possibly dangerous?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DWFYZVGZP2GHEXEHSTTJLKVY5M Lu

    Would the man being accuse of being intolerant if he were a Muslim ranting about his faith and Mohammed, or would that be politically incorrect and possibly dangerous?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V6KQHBO3VMTCRE5H7QI7UBSKTM Chisco

    That’s okay — Jesus Christ was the ORIGINAL “intolerant” person — He said that “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life — No man comes to the Father, BUT BY ME.” (How much more “intolerant” can you get than that?!

    However, it MUST BE pointed out that EVERY SINGLE RELIGION (Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Islam, etc., believes that they have the truth) — but ONLY Christians are told that they are “intolerant”!!!!

    When was the last time you heard muslims called “intolerant” for KILLING Christians or Hindus in India (among other places), or Hindus killing Christians in India also?

    HAS ANYONE HEARD OF CHRISTIANS KILLING MUSLIMS OR HINDUS on a mass scale and on a REGULAR BASIS in modern history?!

  • 1911vltor

    Christianity is freedom. Not slavery to ideology.
    The converse is true of the Left.
    It’s difficult to enslave people who have faith in something bugger than some tin-horn, half a homosexual politician.
    The Left is living its future. Pathetic.

  • Anonymous

    I am an atheist, and have been so since I was 12 (I’m 68 now). I have no objection if someone makes religious speeches in a place of worship. I am against such things outside of such a place.
    It offends at least some people present in an open place and makes more trouble than it is worth.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/OSPGYMXOE6OEZDBTDINHRZQVNQ Da Kingfish

      Who warped your mind at such a young age, answer a question, who does even the atheist call for when they are about to die, Obama

    • Greg

      if you are truly an atheist you should have no worries if someone outside of a Church speaks of God in public. Remember, atheist don’t believe in God. Are you mad if someone prays to Santa Clause or Frosty the snow man? i bet not, since they are truly make believe. Your fear my friend on satan is that you fear God, otherwise it should not bother you.

    • lab-rat

      I’m an atheist and I don’t give a crap about people praying or making speeches anywhere. It doesn’t offend me unless they’re being critical of atheists. What does offend me is when “professional atheists” use their kids to protest saying the pledge in school because it mentions “god”.

    • Rivercruiser

      Just FYI, you DO realize ATHEISM is a religion as much as Christianity is, right! So when you are offended by ‘religious’ speeches in public places, (which you are in essence doing in this ‘public forum’), it should come as no surprise that Christians may be offended at what you are saying. Atheism groups get the exact same tax-exemptions as churches do! You can write off your donations to incorporated atheist orgamizations from your taxes. Just saying…

  • 1911vltor

    Read: bigger

  • timr1271

    It always amuses me how quick the liberals are to try to yell and scream and try to insult any Christian who dares to speak up about their beliefs…all the while thumping their chests boasting about how tolerant they are and how intolerant Christians are.
    I do love how the libs like to throw alleged biblical concepts around. The simple fact is most are Bible scholar wannabes who, at the end of the day, are merely regurgitating rumors they’ve heard – most can’t quote a verse from the Bible to support their idiotic claims – instead of taking the time to read and learn what the Bible truly says. Heaven forbid they should take the time to actually put out the effort to READ and LEARN something instead of just repeating what they heard in a 5 or 10 second sound bite on TV… LOL

  • Joe

    whatever happened to the Scripture telling us to “Judge all things”…?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/FUGS2CIVY3HD3L773DXJB2ZRZU John

    The Democratic Party has become the most prejudiced, bigoted political organization in the United States. Yet, they argue precisely the opposite. Welcome to “1984″, compliments of the Democratic Party.

  • Hugh

    Writing style point: God should be capitalized.

  • Anonymous

    Libs are incapable of logical thought. I think it’s tied in with the lib gene that has been discovered. I sure hope someone got a huge grant to find a cure. The world can’t take much more of them.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t it amazing how many folks consider themselves “Christian” but continue to support a president that allows partial-birth abortion…..the full-term murder of babies! Where in the Bible does it allow for the taking of unborn children’s lives?

    • tibet

      The last days will be characterized by lies, deceit and apostacy. I guess thats from the people having a form of godliness but denying the power therof.

    • Claytonfamily1601

      If God doesn’t destroy this civilization he owes Soddom and Gommorah an apology.

  • http://twitter.com/FloydBurdett Floyd Burdett

    How does Kirstien, and whatever the group she claims to be representing (who will not even give their name), “Claim” to be “pro-FAMILY” when they adamantly EMBRACE the killing of children?!! Barbara Boxer can spew her support of homosexuality, and clearly embracing open sexual behavior outside of marriage, and ‘legalizing’ “recreational drugs”, along with dozens of other Reps., but a Rep. is NOT to be allowed to express HIS beliefs and values in any public forum?
    The Democratic Party has TOTALLY LOST ALL CREDIBILITY, and has become a complete “House of FOOLS” !!! A perfect example is Jimmy Carter— I was once PROUD to call him my cousin, and shared his Life-Long CHRISTIAN FAITH, and his membership in the Southern Baptist Denomination. But he and Roselyn have now become so BRAINWASHED that they now fully embrace Abortion, the NOW, homosexual practices and marriage, an active sexual lifestyle outside of marriage, and taking from the successful in order to give pay and support to those who will not work—ALL of which the Bible teaches AGAINST! I totally fail to understand how ANY True Christian leader or Pastor can encourage their followers to support ANYTHING from the Democratic Party!
    YES, they are free to feel any way they choose, and to say what they want, and vote how they want. But DO NOT tell CHRISTIANS who STILL try to follow the Bible that they are not ALLOWED to say anything in public that the Crazy Dems do not agree with!!

  • http://twitter.com/rooneytoon Joan Rooney

    To Mr. Hynes, the writer of the article: It’s too bad your proof reader didn’t correct your grammatical error. God, the God of the Bible, should be capitalized.

    All the people who feign disbelief in God sure know how to blame Him when something goes wrong!

  • Ssfoothoney

    Why is the word God spelled with a lower case g? If the author was writing about Muslim Mohamad would he not use a Capitol M? Seems to me that the author is not very God fearing and has no intention of supporting God.

  • Rreilly656

    I used to act “superior” like Cwxj415, until I realized what a stupid asshat I was for thinking that way. Cwxj415 could learn from this wise old agnostic about putting down people with strong religious beliefs.

  • Thom

    The subtle attack on God by the author using a small g in the article is a symptom of the same religious intolerance growing in America or ignorance about religion.

    • Terri K

      I wonder if the author of this “report” (Patrick Hynes) would have used a small “a” when writing about Allah?

    • Terri K

      I wonder if the author of this “report” (Patrick Hynes) would have used a small “a” when writing about Allah?

    • Terri K

      I wonder if the author of this “report” (Patrick Hynes) would have used a small “a” when writing about Allah?

  • Anonymous

    It’s important to note that Rep. Bates was speaking to a Christian audience, not at a political rally. Everything he said was entirely appropriate in this setting, and in my opinion, Ms. Kirstien is totally out of line for criticizing his remarks; indeed doing so only demonstrates her utter intolerance of religion in general and Christianity specifically. I completely agree with Rep. Bates, that America’s only hope is to return to a reverent fear of God and to fall on our knees and beg His forgiveness for all we have done to turn away from His Word. He has promised, as Rep. Bates pointed out, that if we will humbly seek the Lord’s face, and pray, and turn from our wicked ways, then He will hear from heaven and forgive our sin and heal our land. And by the way…a small note to patrick hynes, the reporter who wrote the article….”God” is a proper noun; as such, please see fit to capitalize it as you would anyone else’s name! Your disrespect speaks volumes!

  • http://www.facebook.com/dsmithwick Damon Smithwick

    Had he been Muslim saying we should rule by Sharia Law, this would have been all good with the libs.

  • just trolling

    I was admittedly trolling here and captured the essence of one not seemingly spreading good tidings nor cheer: Cwxj415.

    i hope you have a better, rather than bitter, new year!

    I suggest you pay more attention to the state of YOUR OWN SOUL, than that of others. “Judge not lest ye be judged” says the leader of your church. I guess that’s just one more thing that those who CLAIM to be Christian (but don’t actually live a Christ-like life) can say to dishonor Jesus.

    Exactly what we’ve all come to expect from the hateful, ignorant, bigotted morons on the far right who call themselves “Christians’, but are nothing of the sort.

    Jesus weeps.

    WRONG!!! I know it’s typical for ignorant FauxChristians to invent meanings for inconvenient passages of the Bible, but in fact, Matthew chapter 7 is QUITE CLEAR in its meaning: You should know this from the simple fact that Matthew 7:3 specifically talks about removing the mote from “your brother’s” eye. Jesus would not have used the word “brother” to describe a non-believer.

    Nice try, though. Why is it that righties always make crap up when they don’t have a good argument to make on the real facts?

    You, James, are a biggoted idiot and dishonest whore-mongerer . . . whether you know it or not and whether you want to admit it or not!

    Now: How does THAT sound? Pretty unfair, wouldn’t you say? Like most dishonest righties you engage in behavior that you would NEVER tolerate in your opponents. You sicken me.

    Odd – you apparaently understood that my second paragraph defined the first as sarcasm . . . and then proceeded to criticize me for that sarcasm as if it were said seriously. You are a perfect illustration of what I was pointing out!

    So I suppose when James insisted that somebody he knew is a “a communist whether he knows it or not, or whether he admits it”, who is “a hateful guy” who “hates christianity” . . . FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN HE IS A LIBERAL, you are fine with that, but when I point it out, THAT is beyond the pale for you!

    Thank you for meeting my expectations: Righties simply cannot be honest, and you are a perfect example of it.

    That’s just the sort of reponse I would expect from an ignorant rightie. Lie about the other side, and then when they refuse to accept your lies, threaten them with violence!

    I bet you’re a tea-partier too, aren’t you?

    Well, you’d bet wrong. My parents are long dead (I am not some kid, you jackass. But apparently YOU are).

    Isn’t it amsuing that this comment page is 95% attacks by righties against liberals, but you have NOTHING bad to say about that. When I return the favor SUDDENLY you get all self-righteous about attacks.

    You are pathetic, but a perfect example of the dishonest rightie that is so common here on the internet: Attack, abuse, insult, ridicule, mock, misrepresent, and lie about the other side . . . and when that other side returns the favor, then you wrap yourself in righteous indignation demanding civility!

    Well, sorry, but you guys don’t DESERVE civility from others until you demonstrate it yourselves.

    A “mongerer” is one who mongers.

    I suggest you educate yourself before you criticize others, moron.

    Spoken like a true rightie. Insult others all day, and when one of those people insult you back, pretend to be all offended and resort to violent threats.

    It’s all so typical.

    Well said, Larry. ANYBODY who does not acknowledge the primacy of Christianity is a bigot!

    My God, your ignorant unamerican chauvenism disgusts me. But the fact that SO MANY people on the right believe exactly like you do makes me weep for my country.

    JustFollowing says: “We live in a pluralistic society founded on principles that G-d exists, but not a Christian G-d per se”

    Well said, sir. The PROBLEM, of course, is that the dishonest mean-spirited rightie FauxChristians don’t see it that way. For that crowd of ignorant hate-mongere, anybody who doesn’t give their lives to Jesus is an evildoer. That’s why they cannot understand why a non-Christian could possibly be offended by David Bates’ unamerican chauvenism. They refuse to recognize that when a NON-Christian hears a Democratically elected representative in a pluralistic society in which there is not supposed to be any religious tests INSISTS that everybody needs to accept Jesus in order to be a good American, these people are RIGHTLY offended.

    I’m so sick and tired of Christians pretending to be so abused. You are all a bunch of whining little girls. I suggest you study American history and learn what “religious liberty” actually means.

    True, but refusing to say it will ensure that all the bigotted morons posting on this story will accuse you of hating your country (and a host of other insults as well).
    Flag

    “as is fitting” . . . FOR YOU! Like most arrogant ego-centric Christians, you confuse what YOU personally believe with how you believe EVERYBODY should behave.

    Perhaps spelling “God” with a capital “G” is fitting for YOU, but for a non-believer, it is NOT fitting!

    Please correct your attitude, you bigot.

    That is a misrepresentation of what atheists believe. Atheists do NOT ‘rage against God’. They rage against ignorant human beings.

    Nice try, though.

    I’ve never met an atheist who demands that the “A” be capitalized. But Christians (at least, the arrogant self-righteous ones) demand that everybody, even non-believers capitalize the “G” in God. Well, forgive me for refusing to bow to your fascist demand for uniformity.

    Rick says: “They need to repent and be baptized and realize that Jesus Christ is the son of God and is our Lord and Savior.”

    That’s right! Even the non-Christians. ESPECIALLY the non-Christians! What is truly wrong with this country is that there are so many people who don’t believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior!

    You idiots sicken me. Don’t you know what “religious liberty” means? YOU think it means that Christians cannot be criticized and non-Christians should never be trusted. But there are plenty of REAL Americans out here who refuse to accept your Nazi bullsh*t.

    You complain about “men in power hav[ing] to attack Christians”. And yet, this article describes an example of a “man in power” (that is, a Representative) attacking NON-BELIEVERS! And you apparently have no problem with that! So much so that when one of those non-believers responds by saying how offensive Bates’ words were, you all respond by accusing HIM (the victim) of being the attacker.

    I am so sick of dishonest rightie FauxChristians!!

    • biglead

      To Just Trolling:
      After sifting through your rant it is clear that you do not hate “righties” as you would call them,you actually hate God.You see most unbelievers who hear the word “God” automatically get defiant or crazed as we see in your post.The reason for this is to turn to God is to have to change.And most don`t want to change,they want to continue in their sin or lifestyle without anyone telling them what to do.We were created to worship God and if that is something you do not beleive in or do not want to do then have at it.I am not pushing my God on you,you will definitley believe in him one way or another someday.

      I as a Christian do not think that I am above you but I do know that I have been redeemed,which is something I would want for you.It is none of my business that you reject the creator of the universe and will not judge you for it.But I refuse to sit back and let anyone put Christians in a box and say that we are all “righty FauxChristians”.We like you are not all alike but you seem to be doing what you say Christians do which is to say all who do not believe in God are “lefties” that would be lying and stupid so I hope you take that into consideration the next time you open your yap!
      I will continue to defend my beliefs,as I am sure you will continue to defend yours.But in defending your own beliefs it is always good not to “attack,abuse,insult,ridicule,mock,misrepresent,and lie about the other side” when you are trying to make a point,especially if you are accusing the “other side of the same things.It makes your argument look ridiculous.
      Also I find it amusing when a “unbeliever” uses scripture to make a point.It always validates my point that they believe there is a God but in their stubborness they refuse to serve him because they think they can run their own lives,and or a nation and we can see where that is going.There is more tolerance to corruption,evil,lying,perversion,than ever before and as a nation we are paying for it,just a fact.
      It is my hope that you find the God of the universe.I see more and more hatred for him everyday but am not suprized because this is the coming time.”Woe unto them who call good evil and evil good(Isaiah 5:20)

  • garytheobserver

    A few words from some more of those “foolish right-wingers”…
    John Adams put it well when he said: ‘We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
    “ It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.” -George Washington
    “To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian” – George Washington
    In Benjamin Franklin’s 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach “the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern.”
    “It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” – Patrick Henry
    “In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed…No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.” – Noah Webster

  • Duanesteil

    Look at the facts folks. The more christianity is absent from our culture the more mistrust and surfaces and resulting confrontrations occur. We all know how this evolution will end – or else!

  • Anonymous

    The democratic party is home of the hate, bigot, racist, sexist. They cannot stand anyone who doesn’t believe the same as they do.

    Look who Obama, the worst president ever, has put on the supreme court. A racist, sexist bigot.

  • Dave

    Whats with the writer of this article? He capitalizes Democrat and Republican but doesn’t capitalize God? Just a mistake I hope!

    Dave

  • Spellcheck

    Did anyone notice the writer of this article used “god” rather than “God”?

  • A. Ingram

    Oh, that we had many, many more of this kind of leader! He has expressed the beliefs and heartfelt
    prayers of countless millions of Christians who love God.

  • Confucius0001

    I agree with much of what his man says and I am not what you would call a religious man.

    One thing I do know is their is a divine power beyond what you can imagine and its name is *** not government ***.

    The problems we have small and can be overcome when we realize that *** WE ARE IN THE DRIVING SEAT *** and it is we that must change.

    When that happen the impediment known as government will also change.

    Have a nice moment…

  • Triggert

    Mr Hynes, that’s God with a capital “G” or did they get to you at journalism school?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/DFSGRXZN2TU4X4HEUVUAM7DUQQ whippers

    I’m an atheist and believe me, the Democrats scare me a heck of a lot more than Christans do. The Demos will spend us into a hole so deep that we’ll never get out of it, short of national bankruptcy — and that won’t be fun and it may come a lot earlier than “our children and grandchildren” — this could be around the next corner.

    • Linked

      i am a Christian and i agree with Whippers, you make a very good point

    • LambBasted

      Why do you think Christians would do any better than Democrats? Is it the morality thing creeping in?

  • Godslion

    if judging others is wrong, then why are you judging Christians – you hypocrite! Walk your talk!

  • Blinkin357

    Christians are the majority in the U.S. so why do we allow seriously small minorities call the shots? We’re in control and we allow these minority groups intimidate us? It’s the tail wagging the dog and we’re the dog.

    • biglead

      You are so right but I think the Christians in the US are waking up and not taking the beating anymore.We are called to speak out even if persecuted.If God be for us then who can stand against us.I will protect my faith and will not apologize for it!

  • Bsmart

    Like Obama said “they cling to their guns and bibles”. Sad but true. The reality is that things aren’t going to get much better until all the right-wing, fundamentalist, ignorant, religious, conservative, Republican, wacko fruitcakes get old and die.

    • Anonymous

      You are one stupid SOB!

      • Hombre

        Depends on what you mean by “much better.” If you mean: more abortions; unbridled gov’t; bigger deficits; higher taxes; religious intolerance; more corruption; euthanasia; regulatory czars, etc., you’re certainly correct.

    • Biglead

      Not B Smart……If you do not have anything intellegent to add to the post why not go over to MSLSD where they will applaud you for your ignoranance and lack of knowledge.
      You do not have to believe in the God of the bible but what is sad is that you will believe someday and then it will be to late.
      This nation is turning back to God.He allows all things and you or Obama has no say so in it,we are just a part of the plan.If you study history, hundreds of things that are prophesied hundreds of years ago are coming to fruition,i’s a fact.Again you do not have to believe me,look at the facts.If you then continue not to believe you will have a rude awakening.There are many who do not believe but when they pass on they cry out and wish they had.

    • LambBasted

      Good thing we wacko’s believe in free speech and tolerance or we might have you stoned for hate speech.

  • hadenuf

    The intolerance is in the democratic spokeswoman and this congressman should be free to express his religion without fear or favor. If he were a muslim, I’d bet this spokeswoman would not have the cojones to open her mouth.

  • http://jcrue.wordpress.com/ jcrue

    Anyone who listens to claims of tolerance should only need to look at the actions of the same person to tell what is really in their heart.

    I find it so funny the word tolerance is even used. It only means you are willing to put up with something.

    Then again, when talking about political people, nothing they say should be believed, only what they do.
    I find acceptance of others is a far more effective way to go through life.

    • LambBasted

      I liked your post. Acceptance of the person as a creation of God, loved by God, that is a great thing. Toleration of that which can and should be tolerated is also good. Toleration of that which should not be tolerated is harmful, and in the case of evil, it is evil. Tolerance is overrated.

  • Pat

    America understands that the leftists are not a tolerant people. However, they are quite stubborn and often violent. Liberalism is a lie, all of it, and history exposes this lie over and over again.

  • LARRY SONNTAG

    HE IS RIGHT ..NUFF SAID

  • Nurse

    Is there a reason why the author spelled “God” with a lower-case ‘g’?

    I assume the same when the name of “allah” is used, right?

  • Hugh

    To the writer – I believe the NH Representative was referring to “God” , not “god” in those quoted. There is a difference.

  • Jodie

    No apologies , he’s right. The Bible and the Constitution are not for sale.

  • Brownappraisals

    The Devil, Satan, loves this stuff. Any way he can create disharmony, antagonism, removal of God from anywhere, those are his goals. He doesn’t want Bible knowledge, he hates worship of God, he loves the Michael Moores, they do Satans work for him. But Satan also knows he can never overturn God, he is helpless against the Truth as written in the Good Book.
    Don’t succumb, don’t dispair, God will always triumph in the end.

  • George

    Patrick I like that you didn’t capitalize the “g” in God. It was very important to you….I wonder if you also don’t or woudn’t capitalize the “a” in alah…

  • Johnmgmurphy

    I just watched the video. Almost all of what the Representative said is directly from the Bible. The conclusion of his speech quotes at length a famous speech by Lincoln — “We have forgotten God.” What I find to be very instructive is that the Democratic Party today (and a large number of those commenting on this video on this page) consider these things to be subversive. That kind of proves the Representative’s point, I think.

  • Cchisum212

    THIS is what is wrong with our country. How is it that people get baited into this? People of America, wake up! It does no one any good by slandering them on a web page in your heart you say you know better and you should just listen to me because I know best. You talk about the scriptures this and that, how is it that you can quote the Bible and then completely tear down a stranger that you know nothing about? 1 cor 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. Matthew 7:12- .So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this SUMS up the Law and the Prophets. Proverbs 18:21- Death and life [are] in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof. Ephesians 4:29 –
    Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. It is not political affiliation that defines a man. Politics is a process by which people make “collective” decisions supposedly. But remember this Ephesiansa 6:12-
    New International Version (©1984)
    For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the RULERS, against the AUTHORITIES, against the POWERS of THIS dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. So for the christians out there….aren’t we wrestling the wrong guy ?

  • Raywatson_2

    AMEN,,, Elect more people with GUTS!!

  • Obamworstpresidentever

    I am an athiest and quite frankly I hate democrats and any one on the left. To me the only good Pregressive/Democrat/Leftist is a dead one. I stopped my freindship with my best friend of 30 plus years because he voted for Bonama. I can not have friends who would vote to enslave me.

    Sic Semper Tyrannis!

  • Amfeitt

    It absolutely astonishes me how intolerant the left are towards Christians. They are the first to proclaim rights for other religions. Our country is founded on Judeo/Christian heritage! Amen

  • Yankee

    What I want to know is where the written quotes came from. If they came from the Democrat (Harrell Kirstien) then they ARE anti-Christian. Not spelling “god” as a proper noun (“God”) is done purposefully by secularists to be condescending and dismissive toward Christianigy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JYW6SZHUCBYY7EWQ25NXK73WXM Sharp1958

    It is interesting that the article spells God as god, lower case. Names of organizations are cap but not God, which has traditionally been afforded respect.

    • George

      That’s because patric misquotes State Rep. David Bates. He can’t help himself…it’s innate defect in liberal “journalists”. You see mr. patrick, if you are quoting someone, please quote them correctly, otherwise your bias shows not that you care. In this case Mr. Bates has reverence for God and thus would always cap the “g” in God.

  • Noir

    I`m Christian and love my faith! You don`t like me because of that? I could care less what you think. You have free choice and so do I ;))

  • Anonymous

    People who criticize Christians forget, this country was founded by Christians trying to get freedom to practice their religion. So calling Christians unAmerican or bigoted is a bit ignorant of history.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XVM63SZ2JF77PYMWY27V6FSSGA Ronnnie

    Praise the One and only God, Jesus Christ that died for you and me, no matter what your thought or belief.

  • Don

    We need more Christians to support Christians. MERRY CHRISTMAS!

  • http://www.facebook.com/polkamouse Gino Polkamouse

    That was ugly of the Democrat Party. They might have a point if he addressed the NH legislature that way, but he was speaking in church when he said this. Now it’s been a long time since I’ve been to church, but last I remember, you were supposed to talk about religion in there.

    Maybe he should have just spewed racism and shouted “God damn America” in there like Obama’s preacher did, then he’d be OK I guess.

  • Anonymous

    The discussions here prove something. Christianity is confused. Christ did not preach that a vast number of sects which dislike each other is what he meant. He expected that there would be one set of rules, prayers, etc. Look at what actually happened. Just read what people are writing here.
    I don’t know the answer. I studied a great deal before I became an atheist and the unfriendly sects were important to my decision. If you folks all get together in one sect the world might be a better place.

  • Anonymous

    Uh, that would be spelled God, not god. These “demoncrats” will get what they are asking for one day. That will be an eternity AWAY from God. He is a GentleGod, and will not impose himself on those whom, in this life, wanted nothing to do with Him.

    http://www.livingfortruth.wordpress.com

  • Keith Wren

    I suppose they will soon be trashing the “christian-in-chief… obama!! LOL

  • Jazzman2go

    It is amazing how the liberals left intolerance is only outweighed by their arrogance

  • http://onfollowingchrist.wordpress.com Paul B.

    I’m not surprised. The veneer has been stripped of the Democrat Party, and it is shown to be the most intolerant, anti-American, and God-hating major entity in the nation. And clearly, it doesn’t know how to lead.

  • Tip of the Hat

    I am a person of a different faith. Rep. David Bates appears to be a decent Christian who is making very simple statements that anyone can understand. He is not ranting, he is not a bigot, he is a decent Christian man.

    We don’t have to burn our Bibles and history books as long as we have good men like Rep. David Bates. He doesn’t need to be reviled for recognizing we have a purpose in the this life, and if one does as the famous Rabbi Abraham Twerski has suggested: to study long and hard and sincerely about the purpose of our life, you will come to a religious conclusion. Christian or Jew, and other faiths, you will come to a religious conclusion which is the antithesis to our present political and educational culture.

  • Jazzman2go

    The liberal leftists intolerance is only surpassed by their arrogance

  • Jazzman2go

    The liberal leftists intolerance is only surpassed by their arrogance

  • New Pilgrim

    There are a lot of posts here, but has anybody noticed that Conservative Christian Republicans in NH are mortified to be compared to their fellow Conservative Christian Republicans in the South –”Bible Belt Agenda”? Everyone in politics has a wish, an interest, and –if it is well organized around objectives –an agenda. But why is the term “Bible Belt” an insult to fellow conservative Christians? We all know and expect hostility from communist/progressives, global socialists, pagan hedonists, assorted advocates of liberty from traditional law and other knee-jerk Democrat Party devotees. Hatred of all things Southern is based in Social Science’s anti-Christian agenda taught in the university liberal arts curricula. That is where the Humanist religion is instilled and the Leftists are born and bred. But the new ignorance and bigotry revealed in this article is that of our Christian brothers in New Hampshire, who have likely never visited our fair land. Considering the weather and the season upon us, I would like to invite those most greatly offended at being compared to the Bible Belt South (aka “God’s Country”) to visit us in Dec, Jan and/or Feb. Bring your early Fall coats, but also short sleeves and flip flops and a bathing suit. Dress formal or casual and attend any rural Baptist Church you find. Test your theories about what kind of people we really are. Ya’ll Come Now, Ya Hear? : )

  • Orthodox Christian

    In ancient times, because men were very imperfect, God did not scorn to receive the blood which they were offering to idols. He did this to draw them away from those idols; and this very thing again because of His indescribable, tender affection. But now He has transferred the priestly action to what is most awesome and magnificent. He has changed the sacrifice itself, and instead of the butchering of dumb beasts, He commands the offering up of Himself.

  • Anonymous

    ……..I was concerned about this level of intolerance until I realized that it came from Democrats and was in New Hampshire…….so, what else is new?

  • Dreanfotos7

    He’s Right! He’s quoting 2 Chron 7:14 and Patrick Hynes biased reporting should be duly noted since he has the un-repsectful way of quoted God with a little g. Mr Bates is standing on the TRUTH while his enemies want to demonize his faith for political gain. You keep preaching the truth and it will set you free. But the enemy will continue its lies. http://www.goodpersontest.com

  • wannabe2

    Why isn’t anyone afraid the Christians will be going on a jihad over this, calling for the deaths of the dems that dare speak against the Christian religion? How about Hillary or Barry calling to difuse the situation?

  • Dan

    Mr Hynes: “God” should be capitalized. Unless you’re a Democrat.

  • Jay

    Note to author: it’s God, not god. Just can’t keep the bias out of journalism anymore, right?

  • Harley-davidson

    The Devil is a “Demon” crat.

  • Better English

    A question for Patrick Hynes the author of this story. Since when is the proper name of the person not capitalized? Isn’t “God” in the instance used in the story a proper name? Is this bad writing, bad proof reading, bad editing, or something intentional? Thank you for a reply.

    • Better English

      My bad…it appears that over the past 7 hours, people have pointed out the spelling error regarding God’s name. In that time it has not been corrected, so it must be intentional. Sorry to bother you Mr. Hynes and NHJ. Should have known. Thanks to all the others who pointed out this glaring error, I mean statement.

  • FaganRoberts

    Rightwing, gun toting, free market loving, secular humanist, libertarian atheist here!

    God is imaginary and religion is a delusion – Any questions?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYQDTFVNMO6ULM5PO2SKFDW4Y4 Steve Rings

      Rightwing, gun toting, free market loving, Christian, Creationist here!

      God is the only real thing and He alone is worthy of worship – No question.

  • Newshound

    Anyone remember Pastor Joe Wright’s prayer? (Not Jeremiah Wright)
    Anyone who has forgotten it should read up on it. I’m not of his flock, but I know truth when I see it. I think the Lord would have approved, and if he said it today, the people angry over what Bates said would be frothing over this….
    http://www.eaec.org/desk/joe_wright_prayer.htm

  • Anonymous

    Christians have been persecuted since the days of Christ nothing new….unfortunately they are afraid of the message because it is a powerful one…history has shown that the only way it stops is whne Christians say enough and push back…communist in America have been chipping away at our belief system since the 1960′s and it has shown in our morals and values…time to reassert goodness again

  • Anonymous

    Christians have been persecuted since the days of Christ nothing new….unfortunately they are afraid of the message because it is a powerful one…history has shown that the only way it stops is whne Christians say enough and push back…communist in America have been chipping away at our belief system since the 1960′s and it has shown in our morals and values…time to reassert goodness again

  • eddieblue

    97% of Us citizens are Christians.
    The reamining 3% would be wise to not under-stimate the sleeping giant.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LVZSWSKJFCKX3APVQN5A3S4QBU Stavros

    These democrats are dangerous to American life. The only tolerance to which they subscribe is the smoke that comes out of their chimneys. Democrats are nothing but intolerant, name calling, immature hypocrites. I don’t care for democrats as they are bullies of the worst stripe.

  • random visitor

    After reading the last 40 or so comments, I feel brain damaged. Who are any of you arguing with? This is senseless yelling into a void. Has any of this resulted in changing anyone’s opinions?

    • Wooten_mw

      They sent their opinion into the same void that you just did.

    • Wooten_mw

      They sent their opinion into the same void that you just did.

  • guest

    People on here call themselves Christians, what a joke!

  • Buckcrosby

    Of course democrats are ALL non-Christain heathens , how else could they support abortion,the homo agenda,all sexual perversion possible, the destruction of America as a Christian nation . They lie just like the muslims to achieve their goals,the only difference is the muslims want us to worship Allah and the democrats want us to worship government . The only democrats not lying are the ones so stupid they can’t see the obvious .

  • Anonymous

    America is as divided now as it was just before the Civil War. There are a few of my former friends that are now quite estranged to me, because of political, social, moral differences. It seems that we are no longer in a debate, but a cultural war. As in all wars, there will be casualties. God help us……….Don’t Tread On Me !

  • Anonymous

    If he was muslim the dems would have nominated him for a national award, but how dare he be a Christian.

  • Greg G.

    Please show a little respect yourself. “God” shold be capitalized

    Thanks, Greg G

  • Jhicks

    When did journalists and Democrats stop capitalizing proper nouns?

  • SICKOFIT

    To the author: Show some semblence of respect and capitalize “God”. You capitalize YOUR name and you are clearly a disrespectful a$$ instead of following simple grammar. I’m certainly no writer, but you’re shameful for committing such a small but telling mistake. Grow up, son.

  • Michaelskristen

    By the way pat, when you quote a Christian talking about God, please capitalize God. Get It?

  • Michaelskristen

    By the way pat, when you quote a Christian talking about God, please capitalize God. Get It?

  • Leelorit

    And so it begins. In the name of “hate speech” we now must keep our mouths shut about the Bible and what Christians believe about right and wrong. I’m pretty sure this has been foretold and also that it has happened before. A great theologian once said that Sin darkens the mind. Is it any wonder that we have the people we do running this country?

  • Bill

    God should be capitalized. Obviously this journalist wasn’t educated in proper grammar.

  • al

    It is what it is…..The Democrat party and it’s members have no “soul”…..this comment by the democrat from the “former” great state of New Hampshire, is just the tip of the iceberg. nancy pelosi, barak obama and harry reid are at the tip……the democrat party has been taken over by people who are anti-christian….are there any men/women who are sympathetic to Christian values in the democrat party? If so, where are they?

  • al

    It is what it is…..The Democrat party and it’s members have no “soul”…..this comment by the democrat from the “former” great state of New Hampshire, is just the tip of the iceberg. nancy pelosi, barak obama and harry reid are at the tip……the democrat party has been taken over by people who are anti-christian….are there any men/women who are sympathetic to Christian values in the democrat party? If so, where are they?

  • Jim in Vietnam

    The fact that the writer of this article refers to “God” as “god” (lower case “g”) shows how disrespectful a Nation we have become.

    I can understand why non -believers cringe at the antics of the evangelicals and their cohorts. But the issues here are ones of freedom and of humility. Life without either is very grim.

    Theophobes should tone down their animus toward religion. religion is the glue that held our Nation together. Witness what has happened to us once the importance of religion has been diminished.

  • Jim in Vietnam

    The fact that the writer of this article refers to “God” as “god” (lower case “g”) shows how disrespectful a Nation we have become.

    I can understand why non -believers cringe at the antics of the evangelicals and their cohorts. But the issues here are ones of freedom and of humility. Life without either is very grim.

    Theophobes should tone down their animus toward religion. religion is the glue that held our Nation together. Witness what has happened to us once the importance of religion has been diminished.

  • Mom_of_4

    Kirstien is an ignorant fool. Anyone who knows the history of this country knows darn well it was founded on Biblical principles. In the last 30 years, leftist liberals have done all they could to discredit our Christian history. They have tried to get “In God We Trust” off our money, block the 10 Commandments from courtrooms (which the law of almost every single country on this earth is based on in some form), banish Christmas from our schools and public places, etc. etc. etc. Kirstien and his ilk are the most intolerant people. They will welcome Muslims, Communists, the sexually immoral, those who slaughter unborn children in the name of “choice” with open arms, but don’t you DARE mention the name of Jesus. “A fool has said in his heart that there is no God”. Thank you, Mr. Kirstien, for proving that Bible verse as truth.

  • Mom_of_4

    Kirstien is an ignorant fool. Anyone who knows the history of this country knows darn well it was founded on Biblical principles. In the last 30 years, leftist liberals have done all they could to discredit our Christian history. They have tried to get “In God We Trust” off our money, block the 10 Commandments from courtrooms (which the law of almost every single country on this earth is based on in some form), banish Christmas from our schools and public places, etc. etc. etc. Kirstien and his ilk are the most intolerant people. They will welcome Muslims, Communists, the sexually immoral, those who slaughter unborn children in the name of “choice” with open arms, but don’t you DARE mention the name of Jesus. “A fool has said in his heart that there is no God”. Thank you, Mr. Kirstien, for proving that Bible verse as truth.

  • JimmyJo

    The Rep was totally right (sorry for the pun). He hit the nail on the head!!

  • JimmyJo

    The Rep was totally right (sorry for the pun). He hit the nail on the head!!

  • Jjmillerhcreny

    I see that a lot of people join with me in the concern I have had about the misinformation people have about judging. I also have been concerned about the increasingly common comments by people if I express a concern about a type of behavior by Christians that does not line up with basic biblical standards, such as acceptance of the practice of living together without marriage. The reply often is, you can’t judge me, and they will quote Matt. 7:1. I will say that if you look at the scripture as a whole, you see that we are required to judge, but not without proper examination of myself and my attitudes. Also, we need to be careful that we do not venture into the area of deciding the sentence for the behavior. I personally think a large part of the problem is based in ignorance of the whole of scripture, and an increasing blindness or unwillingness to allow God to shape our behavior. The only guarantee I have that I will not be deceived, is if I am willing to DO what God would have me to do. That attitude will put my heart in a condition to be able to discern by His Holy Spirit. As a Christian, my life is formulated by 2 things, what the scripture says, and I view that through the filter of the life and example of Jesus Christ. He is the best picture we have of God the Father.

  • Guest

    Patrick, capitalize that g.

  • Rob Mirich

    I think that the writer/editor ought to be ashamed of their poor spelling. “God” begins with a capitalized “G”. I guess the hillbilly/bible-belt comment shows everyone who is really from the backwoods.

    Merry Christmas and God Bless America

  • Daniel

    Just a note to the author: your use of lowercase “god” in direct quotes is either a mistake or editorializing. “God” with a capital “G” is used as a proper noun by Christians, and this was certainly the intent with which the speaker was using it. Imposing the lower-case form on a direct quotation is a clear misrepresentation of what he was saying.

  • Auntietaqiyya

    Dear Editor: You’re sleeping on the job! “God” is always capitalized. Intentional omission on your part, or just wishful thinking?

  • Aingeal

    I am very tired of certain people speaking out against those who ARE Christian. I pity them because of their ignorance and lack of humanity along with their lack of patience and being a out and out idiot.
    I often think it is time for a reversal in history and feed those who speak against Christians to the Lions…
    But alas, I like Lions more so would not wish to give them indigestion.. anyway Lions have better taste than feasting on the mindless drones of hypocrisy who speak out against someone because of religious beliefs but yet praise those who would kill us as Christians.

    God Bless Those Who Condemn Us ;)

    • LambBasted

      Turds don’t taste good.

  • Aingeal

    I am very tired of certain people speaking out against those who ARE Christian. I pity them because of their ignorance and lack of humanity along with their lack of patience and being a out and out idiot.
    I often think it is time for a reversal in history and feed those who speak against Christians to the Lions…
    But alas, I like Lions more so would not wish to give them indigestion.. anyway Lions have better taste than feasting on the mindless drones of hypocrisy who speak out against someone because of religious beliefs but yet praise those who would kill us as Christians.

    God Bless Those Who Condemn Us ;)

  • Anonymous

    This is all about limiting Free Speech. After all, censorship is everywhere. The gov’t (and their big business cronies) censor free speech, shut down dissent and ban the book “America Deceived II”. Free speech for all.
    Last link (before Google Books bans it also]:
    http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000190526

  • Anonymous

    This is all about limiting Free Speech. After all, censorship is everywhere. The gov’t (and their big business cronies) censor free speech, shut down dissent and ban the book “America Deceived II”. Free speech for all.
    Last link (before Google Books bans it also]:
    http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000190526

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXAOI4HGPJMP4DCIBQG5L7NTU J.d. Dillinger

    I be they wouldn’t insult a muslim for being a muslim and having muslim values.

    Liberal = coward hypocrite with one single argument…………….YOU’RE A RACIST WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7RYJYZ7CO3HUDJB2TWVGBDUX2U Susan

    The only thing the Democrats are tolerant of are pedophiles, muslims, cheaters, lairs, abortion, tax cheats, thieves, corrupt minorities, lesbians and gays, and anything anti-American.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FXXBXGN7PCFLGYI6LVFKV3WN4E Dick Fundork

    Fill that void with meaningless sex, drugs, incompetent politicians, reality shows, spectator sports, tweets, posts, and online comments. We are all useful idiots fighting for the leftovers.

  • caleb

    Glory to God in the highest , peace on earth ,goodwill toward men.

  • Avalonmists

    Democrats = Christophobes.

  • NE

    Awesome message!!!!!!!

  • Wgibson196

    Why isn’t God capitalized in this story?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53AW2UG7TPFGNO4L3JC4JMURQ4 Peter

    True hypocracy is practiced on a daily basis by Democrats, and then they proclaim themselves as the party of ‘tolerance.’ Bull pucky.

  • northcarolilnaamercan

    The founders of this nations were not idiots….”IN GOD WE TRUST” has been the foundation of American…if you don’t like it..leave…but stop trying to change our heritage…..Democrats=Demogods!

  • northcarolilnaamercan

    The founders of this nations were not idiots….”IN GOD WE TRUST” has been the foundation of American…if you don’t like it..leave…but stop trying to change our heritage…..Democrats=Demogods!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53AW2UG7TPFGNO4L3JC4JMURQ4 Peter

    Democrats commit hypocracy on a daily basis. The party of ‘Tolerance’ is anything but. Nice to see them demonstrate this beyond a shadow of a doubt.

  • James

    May Christ Jesus bless this man and the work he does for his state, and our country. And others hear his powerful Holy Spirit-inspired words.

  • Bryan

    Kirstien is a frightening anti-christian bigot.

  • Bryan

    Kirstien is a frightening anti-christian bigot.

  • Cold in Minnesota

    Maybe in your article you should capitalize the word “God”, because I’m sure if the article were about muslims, you would have capitalized, “Mohammed”… It’s basic grammer…

  • Jackson

    “God” should alway’s be capitalized when written.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YDIGSLCJXN77JRRF3SL56MR554 LiveFreeOrDie

    Tell the truth and shame the democrat devil. The new democrat is the old Bolshevik. Will the American republic and last best hope for all humankind fall to the forces of darkness? Evil will only multiply relative to the extent that good people fall away from the faith of their fathers, the same faith of our founders. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Attributed to Edmund Burke

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YDIGSLCJXN77JRRF3SL56MR554 LiveFreeOrDie

    “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” 2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV The time for choosing is upon us.

  • Busseja

    I am eastern Orthodox by choice. It is the religon of parts of Russia, most of the Balkin states, Syria, Egypt, and Greece. My church is strongly populated with eastern cultures who were under communist rule. Throughout the communist rule their schools and leglislature were populated by those who could most easily be compared with our democratic party folks like those in this article. Christians were dissapeared at a great rate never to be seen again under stalin, chosesque, and a host of other leaders. The actions of the NH democratic party is not unlike those rulers. It is interesting that now Russia, poland, Romania, Bulgeria, syria, Greece have crosses in the classroom in their public schools. Freedom of religion seems to be a post communist thing there. Too bad it is not supported here. Separation does not mean elimination execpt in the most narrow mind.

    • Aingeal

      I’m Russian Orthodox as my family has always been.. But to me there is no one right path or religion. We should make God our Religion and not
      Religion Our God.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Bates was misquoted. I have no doubt that Bates twice referred to God and the reporter Patrick Hynes should take care to be more accurate in the future.

  • El polacko

    if mr.bates would like to preach about “fearing god” then perhaps he should consider becoming a church pastor and leave the business of government to others. he’s certainly free to believe anything he likes, but the people he represents did not put him in political office for moral advice.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3EBN276ST5BAITT7AATOQLKZ4M ChiefEOD

      To bad you weren’t around in Jefferson’s time to correct him El polacko.
      “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.”. From Thomas Jefferson’s Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]

  • Cogito

    And what would you expect from a Democrat? Afterall, Obama is not a Christian. He believes in collective redemption, which is the antithiest of Christian belief.

  • Jwcadavy

    Representative Bates is telling the Truth which, sadly, all too many Americans no longer recognize.

  • Ed Smith

    God should be written with a capital G. The article shows the loss of respect our country has for God today.

  • Ed Smith

    God should be written with a capital G. The article shows the loss of respect our country has for God today.

  • Duncan Renaldo

    I am an atheist, and I find the actions of the New Hampshire Democratic Party reprehensible.

  • Chad

    This where you point your finger in the face of anyone who advocates for Cornerstone Policy Research and laugh loudly. This isn’t a research group, this is a defacto hate group that publishes nonsense that dehumanizes minorities for the sole purpose of advancing their own religious intolerance.

  • Chad

    This where you point your finger in the face of anyone who advocates for Cornerstone Policy Research and laugh loudly. This isn’t a research group, this is a defacto hate group that publishes nonsense that dehumanizes minorities for the sole purpose of advancing their own religious intolerance.

  • http://twitter.com/todaysfreedom Eugene O’Neill

    To Mr. Hynes

    Concerning your quotes “ask god to heal our land” and “that we no longer fear god”.

    The word god should be spelled God!

    As for those who say there is no one way to God. Jesus said-of Himself-”I am the Truth and The life. No one comes to the Father except through Me!” Jesus-in effect said-that following Him is the only true religion!

    There are many faiths in the world only one can be for real. That One is Christianity because it spramg from the only God who became a man,lived,died,and rose again! Period

    • Anonymous

      G_d, you should omit the “o” (everyone should know that) (sheesh)

    • Anonymous

      G_d, you should omit the “o” (everyone should know that) (sheesh)

  • http://twitter.com/todaysfreedom Eugene O’Neill

    To Mr. Hynes

    Concerning your quotes “ask god to heal our land” and “that we no longer fear god”.

    The word god should be spelled God!

    As for those who say there is no one way to God. Jesus said-of Himself-”I am the Truth and The life. No one comes to the Father except through Me!” Jesus-in effect said-that following Him is the only true religion!

    There are many faiths in the world only one can be for real. That One is Christianity because it spramg from the only God who became a man,lived,died,and rose again! Period

  • Ctcb05

    Good Lord!! All that was said was precisely what the founders of this nation would have said & now that is unpatriotic.

    I can only recommend you read a new book just out about Americans who actually take a stand against tyranny & ends up starting the 2nd American Revolution. It’s a thriller & a must read so I recommend it.

    http://www.booksbyoliver.com

    We now see Americans attacking other Americans for their right to freedom of speech. Now we know where the democrats stand. Good news article.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CDAMMTIV7HD4C6TJ2I6RIUBXPA NJ

    Should “allah” be capitalized? (My browser’s spellcheck function suggests as much.)

    Ooops … did I just provoke one of the practitioners of The Religion of Peace ® ?

    Last question: will the NH Journal or Disqus allow this comment to be posted?

  • Can2

    The reporter has’nt a clue who we are talking about here, Our god is spelled like this…”God”..and this alone explains why the dem. party is lost on spiritual matters and is morally bankrupt.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3EBN276ST5BAITT7AATOQLKZ4M ChiefEOD

    Apparently Harrell Kirstien is not aware of the historical precedents’ Mr. Bates was following…
    From 1789 on there have been 135 national calls to prayer, humiliation, fasting and thanksgiving by the President of the United States. As well as many other comments by those who helped found this country.

    “Without Religion this World would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite Company, I mean Hell.” [John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, April 19, 1817]

    In 1798 John Adams also issued a declaration for a national fast in 1798 and called on citizens to ask God, “through the Redeemer of the world, freely to remit all our offences, and to incline us, by his Holy Spirit, to that sincere repentance and reformation which may afford us reason to hope for his inestimable favor.”

    ” Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure…are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.” [James Carroll to James McHenry on November 4, 1800]

    “God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” [Benjamin Franklin –Constitutional Convention of 1787]

    “In the beginning of the contest with Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayers in this room for Divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered… do we imagine we no longer need His assistance?” [John Hancock – Constitutional Convention, Thursday June 28, 1787]

    “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.”. From Thomas Jefferson’s Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781]

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2UH53VM764VPQ6OIKGZVUFJQZA Anonymous

    Why, Patrick Hynes, did you not capialize the word “God”? Twice?

  • Jadelmann

    That’s God, with a capital “G” folks.

  • Joe

    The Democrats have their whole stratagy for success built around developing hatred for America and deception. They are the “Split the baby” party.

    Remember the story of King Solomon? That pretty much illustrates the Democrats. Hate, lie,envy,destroy.

  • http://twitter.com/Grendel007 David Griffin

    Anyone else notice that while the author capitalized a great many names in this article he did not capitalize God any time the word word was used?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOEQ5S4RI5WRP7H6WIX4PBNVQI frank3108

    David Bates is 100% correct. The reason our country is having so many problems is that we as a nation have turned our back on God. It says in Psalm 33 v 12 ” Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.” When we turn back to God we will be blessed if we continue on this course we are doomed.

  • http://twitter.com/dirtydog1776 dirtydog1776

    Last time I went to school God was capitalized, or will that offend Muslims or violate the separation of church and state??

  • http://twitter.com/dirtydog1776 dirtydog1776

    Republicans don’t know it but Jesus was communist/socialist. He healed people for free, chased the money lenders from the temple and worked with prostitutes and tax collectors.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JYVAWGBIPKD6KM34635KNVLVGQ Lee

      You are completely wrong idiot. He did those things himself because he thought it the correct thing to do. A communist/socialist would have stolen someone else’s money to heal the sick for votes and kept half the money, would have tried to shut down the temple to open a mosque and would have taxed the prostitutes and money lenders (after shaking them down for money and votes).

  • Anonymous

    “RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE” IS THE MAIN REASON THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED.

    The Democrats need to read their history and stop promoting “Godless” “non-values” and “if it feels good, do it” policies.

    The Morons from the sixties tried it and look what they got–nothing.

    FASCISM BEGINS

  • Anonymous

    “RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE” IS THE MAIN REASON THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED.

    The Democrats need to read their history and stop promoting “Godless” “non-values” and “if it feels good, do it” policies.

    The Morons from the sixties tried it and look what they got–nothing.

    FASCISM BEGINS

  • rachie122

    I want to be on the record to say I want o turn to God and ask for forgiviness and Shame on the people who lashed out at this representative and they owe not only him but others Americans a huge apology or get the heck out of our Country now.

  • BrentF

    When quoting a member of the Christian faith talking about God, “God” should always be capitalized and NEVER put in lower case. The word “god” in lower case is only appropriate when refering to the god of a religion that believes in multiple deities (i.e. polytheistic religions). To use a lower case “g” in this instance is religiously insensitive and just plain wrong with respect to common literary practice.

  • Joe

    Representative Bates is telling the Truth which, sadly, all too many Americans can no longer recognize.

  • Applejoe18

    The wicked take the truth to be hard

  • rapture one

    Bates is on the right track. The more we as a nation pulls back from our heavenly father. The more trouble this nation will find itself in. I can understand the unfaithful to not understand this. But facts are facts! Whether our Muslim leader Obama believes it or not, America is and always will be a Christian nation ! And non-believers will continue to show their ignorance until the end of times! At least we won’t have to put up with them in the next life. A positive factor comes out of every negative factor!

  • Mrhearts_98

    The article incorrectly refers to “god”….it should be “God”.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/QRQMROOGNYBHQE5MCACUEBRBFQ Wretched

    Probably the only good thing about Democrats is that they recognise the stupidity that is religion, the weakness of character that relies on “god” to provide moral guidance and to follow it mindlessly.

    When they develop the balls to recognise that Muslims are just as bad as Christians they’ll be worth voting for.

    • LambBasted

      Yes, those weak-willed Christians are always letting themselves get thrown to lions and crucified and stuff rather than give into the natural inclination for self-preservation and innate desire not to be burned at the stake. Yes, the weiners give in to the greater good and deny their own needs and desires to go die helping the lepers and aids victims in Africa and such. The pussies! They should be more like atheists and just take care of themselves and be open-minded, ready to accept any ridiculous popular notion that comes along until it just gets too hard.

      You are right about one thing. Democrats are afraid of Muslims.

    • LambBasted

      You did say something interesting about your ability to be moral without a god to keep you in line. Morality is an eternal proposition. You are probably a law-abiding, ethical person. That does not make you moral. You don’t believe in morality, that requires a belief in something supernatural, something that is because it is. Laws change and ethical standards change, you will have to change with them to remain a person in good standing with your society. You cannot change morality. It will not change with the evolving culture. You may even become hated if the culture evolves rules and customs not in accordance with the eternal morality. That is why you don’t like christians. You changed. They didn’t. You are preparred to change again. They are going to stay the same. They are moral. You are a popular person. Big difference.

  • Tigerjeb

    funny that the writer capitalizes “Republican” and “Democrat” but not God.

  • Gs11sz

    Interesting how Christian’s are an acceptable wipping post among people yet everyone tip toes and bends over backwards not to offend a muslim. Everyone else can say what ever they want to anyone they want and that is ok. A Christian, who believes in the bible is intalerant? Christian’s and children gets grouped at the airport by TSA but Muslim woman are exempt? Yes, we are so talerant as a people. Everyone has the right to free speech is seems except God.

  • ParkMan

    What’s to apologize for? Sure sounds like another Dominionist/Fascist rant to me……

  • Guest

    too bad people don’t use the internet to really broaden their horizon, but instead they only try to reinforce the ideas they’ve already formed. doesn’t matter your politics, religion, etc. i’ll admit i do it too :(

  • Randy

    God bless you Rep Bates. Keep the faith. There are millions of us who have been silently taking the bigotry of the left for years. Thanks for exposing who the real hypocrites are in America. Merry Christmas.

  • Randy

    God bless you Rep Bates. Keep the faith. There are millions of us who have been silently taking the bigotry of the left for years. Thanks for exposing who the real hypocrites are in America. Merry Christmas.

  • Doug

    Funny thing about Christianity. As a Christian, I am called to live by the example that the Son of God set during his short time on Earth – but the same Bible that teaches me his example also tells me that I will never live up to it. The evils and predjudice associated with “Christians” are the by-product of their mortality and inherent sinful nature; they have nothing to do with what Christ taught; even devout Muslims consider him a great prophet and say “peace be upon him” after speaking his name. Fellow Christians, your point will never be made with arguments or words of any sort – only humble, kind, and peaceful deeds. Deeds that will give you a peace and happiness that others outside of God’s love will seek to know by your example. Give Christ the credit for what is good and pray that he continue to work in the lives of those who oppose him.

  • Doug

    Funny thing about Christianity. As a Christian, I am called to live by the example that the Son of God set during his short time on Earth – but the same Bible that teaches me his example also tells me that I will never live up to it. The evils and predjudice associated with “Christians” are the by-product of their mortality and inherent sinful nature; they have nothing to do with what Christ taught; even devout Muslims consider him a great prophet and say “peace be upon him” after speaking his name. Fellow Christians, your point will never be made with arguments or words of any sort – only humble, kind, and peaceful deeds. Deeds that will give you a peace and happiness that others outside of God’s love will seek to know by your example. Give Christ the credit for what is good and pray that he continue to work in the lives of those who oppose him.

  • LB City Girl

    God does not belong in our government. Our founding fathers were clear on the separation of church and state.

    • DB

      They were clear indeed – except the reason at the time was to protect the CHURCH from the STATE. We have since reversed the two. As an American, you are entitled to any opinion you like; as a historian, I just thought you might like a bit more background.

    • LambBastedBarrister

      Yes, the founders were clear. They were in total disagreement with you. You have bought into an urban legend. I know you probably don’t believe this, but they actually wanted God to direct the government of these United States. If you are truly brave, you will discover this for yourself by actually studying the documents which set up the government. Shockingly, you will find that there is no such guarantee as “separation of church and state”. I dare you to find this phrase anywhere in the Constitution or other such documents. Don’t feel bad, many law students, attorneys, judges and even law professors are still laboring under this myth.

    • Jazzman2go

      People should read the Constitituion before they start spouting off from soundbites heard fon the biased media.1st of all this article is not about seperation of church and state, a misconception of the true meaning of seperation of church and state, many times used by the left for their aganda at the time The Founding Fathers, in their wisdom, did not want a Church Of America to call the shots as did the Church of England. This is the true meaning of seperation of church and state. People came here to be able to enjoy the freedom of religion. This country was based on that. Yet we encourage muslims to erect a mosque near the greatest act of terrorism this country has ever endured under the guise of freedom of religion. This country was also based on Freedom of Speech but this Rep from NH seems to want put that into jepordy too. The libs like to distort the Constitution for their own purpose and confuse the matter when some elected official has the guts to say I am a Christian and proud of it. I am not religious, maybe spititual still not sure, but I do know we should be damn scared when we can not express a belief without the fear of ridicule and retribution.

  • Anonymous

    Simple answer to many of our problems…..

    If you are in a position to hire/fire then hire a conservative and fire a liberal.

    It’s not that hard to figure out…”what are your interests, core beliefs and values outside of work?”

    Without a job they will have a hard time donating to their liberal candidate/cause and hopefully they will learn a hard reality….handouts are no good but a hand up changes a life.

    When you take a handout it requires no effort, when you get a hand up you are pulling just as hard as the person helping you.

    • LambBasted

      With you all the way. My family has been boycotting liberal, anti-family, anti-christian and anti-Israel businesses and people. Why aid what Obama calls our “enemy”. Give your business to fellow believers and traditional American patriots.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RR7JBLBEAQCUH6WJV3BS4X4O4E Thunderstorm

    This is just one example of the bile and hatred that flows like a river from the Democrats. They claim they do not want you to push your religion on them, but they constantly push thier opinions and ideology on you. The only thing that is predictable and rational about the political left is they will say or do ANYTHING to get their way no matter what traditions are destroyed or how many people get hurt in the process.

    • LambBasted

      So true. The driving force is guilt and trying to avoid feeling it. What always cracks me up is when they preach a warped sermon with magic encantations like “Turn the other cheek” and “Judge not less you be judged” and “forgiveness” to try to excuse some wicked thing they want to keep doing, They say these things to us, but they are really trying to convince themselves of their lack of culpability.

  • Kevin

    I think it is an interesting thing that this reporter (and the editor) uses the lower case “g” in their reference the the almighty…maybe a tipping of the hand as to where their beliefs lie…

  • Biggs9

    Sometimes people think they are criticized because of their religious convictions when in fact it just their manners that are the problem. It isn’t about someone being a Christian. It is about boorish behavior.

  • Biggs9

    I don’t mind someone expressing his beliefs even when they are not mine as long as he is respectful. He can even pray in public, read the bible or hold an open air religious meeting. Just don’t accuse me of something when you don’t know what I believe except that isn’t what you believe. Evangelicals should learn how to play well with others. Are you listening Southern Baptists?

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.zoppo Richard Zoppo

    David Bates is right and the Commiecrats are simply afraid of God and morality. If they were forced to be moral they wouldn’t be able to redistribute wealth by theft.

  • Autrey41

    Mr.hynes,
    God is capitalized. It’s a name.

  • Dale

    to the pagan that wrote this article God is capitalized when referring to the God of the Bible.

  • Jasper

    We need more Men like this, who are not afraid to speak the truth.

  • Bold Lioness

    Jesus weeps that people perish for lack of knowledge. The only opinion that matters is God’s. It’s amazing that people who haven’t a clue about who Jesus is or what “judging” according to the Word means tell us what Jesus meant and criticize what they know nothing about. BTW, we have to “judge” several times a day. Jesus also said we would know people by their fruit. Hatred is not a fruit of the Spirit even against President Bush. Jesus spoke much about unforgiveness, bitterness and hatred. Jesus was not a mambie-pambie pushover as many emotion based social justice proponents would like to present. Peter said it well in Acts…should we obey God or man? I commend Mr. Bates for his stand. Funny thing is how many people watched the video and prayed along for our nation! Awesome. Whatever the enemy intends for bad, God turns for our good!

  • RedNosedRantDeer

    “The Church is full of intolerant hypocrits” whines the intolerant hypocrit. Hell yes we’re hypocrits. But at least we know it and are sorry. Hell no we shouldn’t sell out for the sake of the collection plate. Sometimes the christian thing to do is to tell a non-believer to shove it. They are not going to be turned off to religion any more than they already are. Never be apologetic for knowing the difference between right and wrong, moral and immoral, natural and perverted, etc.. Tolerance for evil is evil. I, for one, am tired of walking on eggshells for these idiot scoffers. Tell the children of darkness to mind thier own filthy business and let us go about ours.

    Another Topic: Also, something that bugs me. They have no business celebrating our holidays: Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, All-Saints Day or even St. Patrick’s day. Isn’t that hypocritical for a non-believer? I’m tired of tolerating scoffers horning in on our fun. All are not welcome. Bah to the Hum Bugs.

  • SenatorFormer

    To the writer and NH Journal – you are also bigoted and disrespectful – you can not even capitalize God! You also owe the Christians in your state and all over the country an apology.

  • http://www.occidentaldissent.com nuke904

    For the clueless who immediately jump in with “Separation of Church and State!!!!”

    It means Obama cannot assume being head of the Catholic Church.

    It does not mean a literal separation, like it’s interpretation to mean that a courthouse cannot display the Ten Commandments which our modern law system is modeled after. For those literalists, why haven’t you separated yourself from your money that says “In God We Trust” on it?

    Oh, that’s right, you’re not really serious about this currency separation.

  • Santiago

    I had a friend/coworker that used to talk politics with me. He was a solid lefty, and I was (at the time) a center-right sort of guy.

    After a few months his dialogue with me became more accusatory and angry — simply because I didn’t agree with him. Even though I told him I was an independent, he accused me of being a republican.

    I realized he had a template for conservatives when he accused me of taking marching orders from “the church, Rush Limbaugh and the republican party.” The irony was that I didn’t go to church, I didn’t listen to Rush, and I was registered as Independent at the time.

    This was from a guy whom I worked with side by side, a guy who had known me for years. But for him, just disagreeing with the democrat agenda was enough to break our friendship.

    Since then, I had this situation repeat several times, as I work in the entertainment business and I work with mostly very liberal people. Most of the time I keep my mouth shut, and they assume I’m one of them.

    I’ve discovered that they will accept nothing short of complete agreement with their socialist agenda, and at their core is a deep seeded hatred for Christians and Christianity. I believe most of the hatred directed at Bush was caused when he professed Jesus as his savior.

  • Thejackothewisp

    These are the Fallen Away Christians who work hand in hand with the Marxists of this World. Pray for them to turn back to their faith and beg God His Forgiveness. David Bates is right in wghat he said, but I’m sure the Marxists have those like Kirstein. It’s time for a cleansing of such 9tha dn tenth. This follows treason. Not for the Christian Statement but for what they do …………in the Haolls of the Constitution.

  • Thejackothewisp

    These are the Fallen Away Christians who work hand in hand with the Marxists of this World. Pray for them to turn back to their faith and beg God His Forgiveness. David Bates is right in wghat he said, but I’m sure the Marxists have those like Kirstein. It’s time for a cleansing of such 9tha dn tenth. This follows treason. Not for the Christian Statement but for what they do …………in the Haolls of the Constitution.

  • Bold Lioness

    I am absolutely blessed that so many Christians are taking a bold stand for our beliefs! It’s time to be who we are more than we’ve ever been without apology!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS!

  • Richierichh

    Figures communists hate GOD! Democrat=communists

  • guest

    Hmmmm. Obama just called himself and his wife Christians during tonight’s tree lighting ceremony.

  • BeeSmart

    Even though Mr. Hayes knows the rules of grammar he failed on purpose, I believe, to capitalize the proper noun God. It is my guess that this was done to show his lack of belief or his secular view of the world. Just shows his ignorance of the rules of punctuation. Or maybe like the left wing haters of America who spell it Amerika he is trying to make some point or other.

  • Jimdchan

    The word God should always be capitalized. Including in your article. Was that an intentional omission?

    • Anonymous

      G_d

  • Briancarris

    I am a christian and am flat out embarrassed by all you other christians with your name-calling and profanity. Can’t you simply make your argument and leave it at that. Quoting Jesus and the holy scriptures, then tossing out cuss words demeaning names is not christian behavior. There’s obviously no shame in your game!

    • Cgent47

      I think Christians have been persecuted by the liberals to the point that their outrage is expressed in the wrong way. Profanity and name calling are a symptom on the outrage. I agree with you the profanity needs to be put to sleep.

  • Robert

    When we take upon ourselves the name of our Saviour, Jesus Christ, we can expect hatred towards us. I’d rather be hated by the world than to lose eternal life by accepting what this world has to offer. Jesus Christ has promised me eternal life while the world only promises death.

  • Anonymous

    it’s interesting how many comments there are about capitalization… a virtual stoning online as the christian version of sharia law gets implemented… i don’t the pilgrims would want to move here if they could see this place now….

  • Anonymous

    I sincerely doubt he talked about “god”. If he’s a Christian, speaking to Christians, there’s no doubt in my mind he talked about God. talk about bias. Maybe a little style manual check on your spelling of a-l-l-a-h is in order.

  • Regis49

    I noticed that the author of this article did not capitalize the word “God” when he quoted Representative Bates. Had the referrence been made to allah, I have no doubt the author would have capitalized that word.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FS657T232PENBQNEJHOPKL2EKE L

    Does anyone really expect the Dems to apologize? Bates is exercising his religious rights under the Constitution. I don’t expect Democrats to understand the Constitution nor do I expect them to follow the Constitution. After all, didn’t they call it a living document that changes over time?

  • Kamashian

    This is the same demo-rat leadership that would cow down to muslims through the ACLU for special treatment for “religious tolerance” People take your country back from the Socialist agenda. Whats right is whats right, not whats loudest. Do the right thing.

  • Christopher Hunt

    Well, you seem anti-Christian yourself Mr. Hynes. Learn to capitalize “God”.

  • johnnygeneric

    For leftist elites, it’s not about color, religion, social standing, gender. It never was. It is always about power and control. Whatever they have to do to gain it and maintain it. They will make pacts with whomever they need to get power and control. Then, once done, they brush the remains of the ally off of their clothes….and move on.

    Genericaly speaking

  • Thebarrister

    1) It’s God, not god.
    2) It’s the Democrat Party, not the Democratic Party.

  • Thebarrister

    1) It’s God, not god.
    2) It’s the Democrat Party, not the Democratic Party.

  • Thebarrister

    1) It’s God, not god.
    2) It’s the Democrat Party, not the Democratic Party.

  • Merry Christmas

    I also have a friend who said Bush “converted” him to the DNC. Funny, I asked him if Obama has converted him back yet. He shut off communication. ;o).

    I also asked him what he thought about someone like Jim Wallis and he did not even know who he was BUT when he read his web site front page he stated he liked what he saw. Social justice by the government.

    Not in the Bible that I can see.

  • Darin_clements

    ‘God’ is always capitalized, illiterate Yankees.

    • Anonymous

      Darin, I am a Damn Yankee – one of those who came to Texas and stayed. I have always capitalized God – it isn’t the state one was born and raised in but the state of mind that honors God. IMO this so-called journalist is showing his contempt of God and all Christians.

  • Moonboy1948

    David Bates only tells the truth. Look around you and what do you see?

  • Tommatlock

    Gos should always be spelled wit a cap. G not a small G.

  • Rufusmlk

    In the real world, god is spelled God. Of course, you would not know that.

  • Drumcorpsminis

    Whether you are a believer or not God should be capitalized in this piece. I think that covers the bias factor!

  • Ix2b8

    My question is for Patrick Hynes; Is there a reason you chose not to capitalize God (x2) in the second paragraph? Was this a simple omission or an intended slight to Christians and Jews? Just curious…

  • mike

    when you have facts on your side argue the facts. when you have the law on your side argue the law. when you have neither change the subject and question the motives of the opposition.

    the posts below are a clear indication of who has the truth on their side.
    read the 5000 year leap, the road to serfdom, origional intent and the bible with a prayer to God for understanding and wisdom and America will be just fine.

  • AI

    Someone needs to inform so-called journalist Patrick Hynes, the author of this article, that proper names, such as God, are capitalized. That is first-grade grammar, but I guess he failed first grade grammar, so he became a “journalist”. Hynes used the name of God twice in the article but did not capitalize it.

    Note to New Hampshire Dems: if you want to hear a “religious tirade” go undercover to a mosque, and listen to them talk about their plans for the Jews, Christians, and all non-Muslims.

  • AI

    Someone needs to inform so-called journalist Patrick Hynes, the author of this article, that proper names, such as God, are capitalized. That is first-grade grammar, but I guess he failed first grade grammar, so he became a “journalist”. Hynes used the name of God twice in the article but did not capitalize it.

    Note to New Hampshire Dems: if you want to hear a “religious tirade” go undercover to a mosque, and listen to them talk about their plans for the Jews, Christians, and all non-Muslims.

  • Bob Carson

    >>>>>”turn from our wicked ways and ask god to heal our land”

    Well put!

    The left never does accept the truth.

  • Bob Carson

    >>>>>”turn from our wicked ways and ask god to heal our land”

    Well put!

    The left never does accept the truth.

  • Carlcarot

    I agree that we are losing our way by turning from Christianity. Listen to Glenn Beck for the warnings. Please look at the teachings of Joseph Smith and the Mormon faith. (Please visit the LDS website). This is the true path and needs to be part of our political fabric. By turning to the truth we can overcome any liberal challenge.

    Vote Romney 2012

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VZEZGXO3KMPAVQJEWRUTMAFDAM Loquisha

    If this had been a democrat who did the same thing in a Mosque, Synogage

    • William Hoy

      Another liberal double standard.

  • Jstoneburner25

    http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2007/0702btb.asp

    The “Judge not…….”misinterpretation of the Gospel of St Matthew is consistently used by relativists to paint others as intolerant. Please read.

    And of course, Christians want to bring their message to as many as possible and hopefully make inroads. “Go therefore into all nations, baptizing them…………” The message of Truth is for all to hear.

  • Lsmsports

    Your quote spelled God as “god” lower case “G” which is disrespectful.

  • Anonymous

    What about my right to freedom FROM religion? Or maybe my rights don’t matter? Funny how intolerant xtians become when a store says “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Xmas”. Please keep your invisible flying “god” to yourselves.

    • Anonymous

      Please explain how any of that HURTS you in any way. Are you soooo offended by xtian religion that it makes you curl up in a ball and cry whenever you see Merry Xmas?

    • Anonymous

      Not to mention have any one of them ever suggested you shut up about your atheism?

    • Anonymous

      What about your right of freedom from religion – you have it – don’t whine about your rights not mattering. My rights include my deep faith in God without the religious tapestry. But when your rights invade my personal space with the bashing by the use of “flying god” you have become the poster child of total intolerance.

  • Bigrickjames

    Poor, little religious fanatics. We’re at war with the Muslim world because of fruitcakes like this guy, self-righteous degenerates and bloodsuckers who want to force America to worship their perverted deity. Ain’t going to happen, Bible-thumpers. (Oh, by the way, you’re going to get your holy butts kicked in the Mid-east.)

    • Anonymous

      The reason we are at war with them is because they attacked the USA moron not because Christians wanted to go to war with Islam. What a stupid liberal idiot you are.

    • Anonymous

      Well, you have become the twin brother of dontwearanosestud – join him in the dual role of poster children of total intolerance. We are at war with the Muslim world because of their goal of total eradication of all who are not Muslim. If I remember correctly this war has been ongoing since Isaac and Ishmael.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FIGVSCMBAJC5YF5EESYGSRMLWU Reggie

    I just love all these libtards who bash Christians then turn right around and give their support to the cult of Islam. It was a Christian gathering and I bet no atheists were forced to attend. They say there is a fool born every minute, I say there are fools born every second and many of them are posting here.

  • Grgry

    It will not be long before the character of the democrat,socialist,progressive, fuzzy wuzzy party will be measured in terms of the thickness of cigarette paper. They are rapidly becoming the party of “LIVE OR DIE FREE”.

  • Nkd09

    Just remember that the church is not a museum for saints, but a hospital for sinners. Some are healing faster than others.

  • Ndk09

    Our first right guaranteed in the first line of the first article of the Bill of Rights, is the right to freedom of religion. First right in importance. Notice it is not freedom FROM religion, but freedom OF religion. Well worded, big difference.

  • Dave

    This was not a tirade. He was simply quoting 2 Chronicles 7:14:
    “[If] My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” He also quoted Abraham Lincoln, hardly a religious extremist. The Democratic party is not only bigoted but ignorant.

  • guest

    He is 100% correct…unless we turn from our evil ways, homosexuality, abortion, pornography, thievery, etc., and repent our country is doomed. Personally, myself, I think it is already too late…

  • El Guapo

    That faster we get these religious nut jobs out of positions of power the faster we can move forward and progress as a nation free of silly superstitions. Your sky daddy myth has no place in politics and we will not tolerate any attempt to push your poison on us.

    • El Guapo

      *The*

  • Geekonabike

    The author (or editor) did not capitalize “god” in the quotes, which leads me to believe they are religiously illiterate.

    • Word

      Your myth isnt worthy of capitalization.

  • GuestinAL

    We know where the editors of the NJ Journal stand on this by their stylistic rendering of God’s name with a lower-case “g”.

  • Anonymous

    “Harrell Kirstien”….. Jewish name, right? Virtually condemning an elected official (or likely anybody else for that matter, if the truth be known) for publicly proclaiming Christianity, probably the only outside friends the state of Israel has. What do you want to bet this “Kirstien” person would rush to be first in line to kiss Muslim butt, when the time comes to protect their right to free speech in this country?…. The liberal Jew. What an interesting creature!

  • Tony

    Thank God for a Rep. that speaks the truth and is trying to point to way to the Answer by turning to God!
    Tony
    Alabama

  • jill

    Please, all scoffers, before you toss out random Scripture verses in order to turn a blind eye to sinful behavior, pick up a Bible and read it in its entirety. The Bible can stand up against your criticism and scrutiny, I assure you. What prevents many from taking what it says seriously is simple human pride/vanity. Of course there are hypocritical Christians out there (who profess to believe and, yet, live lives that in no way reflect a fear of God or a Christ-like heart), but I would implore you not to use their sin(s) as justification for your unbelief. I’m afraid that such an excuse won’t hold much water when the fate of your soul hangs in the balance.

    • El Guapo

      HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Can stand up on its own??????

      Please….shall we begin with an evil god in the old testament who committed genocide and commanded his sheep to kill non virgins, gays and misbehaving children? Or do we go right to the new testament with its discrepancies between gospels and other assorted crap.

      Its gotten to the point where leading apologist debaters don’t even use it anymore since its shot full of holes.

  • Anonymous

    Jill is right. I hear it over and over again-unbelievers using the fact that there are “hypocrites in the church” as an excuse for their unbelief. The fact that there are hypocrites confirms the truth of Scripture. I don’t think they really believe what they say. They are so afraid that Hell might be real (it is), that God really does reign on the throne and knows the content of all of our hearts (He does), and that one day they will have to answer to Him (they will). They love to point out Scriptures that they don’t understand to twist them and try to bang Christians over the head with them. It never works-they are bringing further destruction upon their own selves-but they continue to do it nonetheless. They miss the one thing that God so wants to give them-His incomparable, everlasting love. Pray for them. Yes, they are frustrating, but understand that we were idiots too before we gave our hearts to Him-pray for them. Pull them out of the fire now in these Last Days.

    • Word

      So much fail in your argument. We dont believe in your myth because there is NO proof for the existence of your god. Or any gods for that matter.

      P.S. If your god really wanted to give us his love he would end his charade and show himself to everyone and leave no doubt that he was real. Lets see if he comes out of hiding or chooses to torture people for eternity for his mistakes.

      • Word

        By the way we are as afraid of going to hell as you are afraid of Darth Vader and Dracula attacking you in the middle of the night.

  • Chummali

    Say, V2A …

    I noticed you capitalized all of the names (Bates, Smith, Kirstein, etc.), but NOT the name of God. Doesn’t God deserve equal billing in your commentary?

    Or are you afraid you might “offend someone?”

  • Chummali

    CORRECTION:

    Excuse me; the article was not written by V2A, but by patrick hynes.

  • Jazzman2go

    I am not religious, maybe spiritual, but I won’t get into my personal beliefs. I do find it ironic that the non believers and athesists when crisis comes, who do they call out to? Just like me , “please God help me”

    • Word

      Speak for yourself. We atheists call out to no one. Well maybe the police if the situation warrants it.

    • Word

      Speak for yourself. We atheists call out to no one. Well maybe the police if the situation warrants it.

      • Jazzman2go

        bullshit

        • Word

          No I dont say Oh my god. Even if I did it proves nothing. Only that it is a cultural meme people say in certain circumstances. Whats your point?

          Yes you are correct I will die with no beliefs.

      • retarmyranger1967-1993

        You must have never taken a final exam in school or been surrounded and out numbered by an enemy force throwing everything they have at you. No atheist in a foxhole or fire fight.

        • Word

          Thats utter crap. All you have to do is look toward Pat Tillman for proof of atheists in foxholes. More senseless drivel.

      • Jazzman2go

        I am speaking for myself word. So you don’t say Oh My God? What do you say “Oh My Nothing”? Those with no beliefs will certainly die with none

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_I5BFM54YTLHDVZLXRGQG7PQV4A cowboylee1226

    God should be typed with a capital G, jerk. Like this: God. God. God.

    Never “god”.

    This is inexcusable for a professional journalist.

  • Franp

    This State Rep also has 1st Amendment rights. He didn’t lose them when he was elected to office.

    Those 1st Amendment rights include freedom of speech, as well as freedom from congressional laws that would prevent him from practicing his religion

    So, whether or not you are of the same faith/belief-system, whether or not you agree with his religious practices — even if those practices include speaking his beliefs — he is free to speak his heart, just as you are.

  • Franp

    This State Rep also has 1st Amendment rights. He didn’t lose them when he was elected to office.

    Those 1st Amendment rights include freedom of speech, as well as freedom from congressional laws that would prevent him from practicing his religion

    So, whether or not you are of the same faith/belief-system, whether or not you agree with his religious practices — even if those practices include speaking his beliefs — he is free to speak his heart, just as you are.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/THR5NRUQ7BXSQCAVLCBNOGW4DE Richard

    These leftys are their own worst enemy, as November 2nd demonstrated. May they keep shouting.

  • Engelsal

    Amen. Speak it, brother! Shout it from the housetops!

  • Denny

    The speaker is right on the mark. I guess we all need to ask ourselves why Chrstan is now a bad word. Our country was founded on Christan Principles. Not a certain denomination, but the principles of the Christan Faith. Read the sspeech George Washington gave when he became the President, and when he stepped down.

  • Rnmn1969

    kirstiens attack on christians is typical of the violent hateful left .

  • Twobanjonuts

    Bravo for Rep. Bates! We need more leaders to stand up for what is morally right, and reject the agenda of the NoLabel/Progressive/Liberal/SocialistCommunistMarxist/Politically Correct crowd that seeks to tear down our exceptional nation.
    For the NPLSCMPC crowd to condemn people seeking God’s provision for Grace and Spiritual Connectedness is very GRINCH LIKE to me!

  • Anonymous

    It is about time that someone calls out those anti-religious bigots.

  • Bama64

    WOW! When was the last time a politician asked others to pray this nation. Democrats are am ungodly political party.

  • Anonymous

    Apologise? For pointing out that Bates is trying to stuff his religion down everybody’s throat?

    Kirstein is correct. That’s not an opinion but a fact, well-documented and easy to verify.

    Now, if you believe that some religious nutcase _should_ stuff his religion down everybody’s throat, then that’s a different matter. But those who disagree are not bigots–quite the reverse.

    Wouldn’t Jesus and Mohammad and Thor and Ganesh want you to be honest and true to yourself and your motives? If you are a bigoted religious nutcase, be PROUD of that–don’t spread lies about those who disagree, but rather stand up and honestly say “I am a bigoted religious nutcase, I believe I am superior to you and that my religion SHOULD be stuffed down your heathen throat, and I hate anyone who says that’s a bad idea.”

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    “Christian Morons” pretty well demostrates where you stand on this
    topic. It is sad when a person who does not have any faith will try and
    use someone else’s believe against them with parables from the bible. It
    only shows how desperate one may get when they are lost. You wonder
    when any act where something that that happens to endanger you life,
    Most people without belief will still cry out for God… just remember
    you may run, but you can not hide, for he see’s and hears all..